WPPR v5.8 sneak peek

General
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Yeah, I haven’t gotten around to adding them, I just reran the code I already wrote. They’ve also only done one event that I can tell, so I’m not sure they qualify as a “farm” yet. Maybe we can get @FunWithBonus to publish an official definition?

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(Draft definition of) WPPR Farm: a location which has multiple series of 4 or more full-field (64+ players) events that is NOT timed and located to connect with a major pinball show (e.g. TPF, FPF, Expo, etc.) or a “Major” tournament (e.g IFPA, The Open, EPC, or in prior years, Pinburgh or PAPA).

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Lol at trying to suggest that having many events in one contiguous period isn’t farming if it’s connected to an “appropriate” event or “significant” tourney.

The PAPA world championships extended weekend was a great example of a type of farming. It was awesome.

No need to try to cast some negative light on holding as many comps as people can stand in short period of time. Play more pinball!

I view farming as a positive, good thing. And to me, it’s when you are able to have multiple “harvests” (full weekends of numerous tourneys) of WPPRtunities at a single venue, at least twice per year. Whether it’s 2 per weekend, or 10 per weekend. Fulda and D82 are simply the two biggest farms. And thank you, Tobias and Erik, for what you do.

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My draft definition does not render an opinion on the merits of a WPPR farm, just what might constitute one. I plan to go to WI later this year myself. I would have gone to Fulda if the travel had been easier.

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About the same amount of points as winning one Major under v5.8 rules :slight_smile:

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@BMU ''s draft definition is quite neutral, and @Snailman 's point is solid. I think we have two different connotations of “Farm” and "Harvest which may end up being merged into one:

The Farm as in the location holding the events
The Farm as in the events themselves (which may end up being the “harvest”)
The Harvest as in a Player’s results at that series of events

  • “The Summer harvest at the District 82 WPPR farm is August 12-14, 2022.”
  • “Who will have the best harvest at this Summer’s District 82 WPPR Farm?”

How many events over how many days would constitute a WPPR Farm
Would at least one of those days have to have two different events that start and finish on the same day?

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Just a minute, fixing a typo

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Net gain, so the points he earned was even higher than that. It’s good that the three remaining majors will at least be in the ball park of competing with the farms.

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my apologies for reading between the lines in my interpretation

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The key difference here, though, is the EV of any player in one Major – or even a New Certified+ – vs. the EV of 8-10 chances to get good WPPRs at a farm.
I look forward to seeing the impact of v5.8!

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A bit more detail:

PLAYER Rank WPPR Total # Events Avg Per Event Max WPPR Effective Pct
Daniele Celestino Acciari 1 351.56 8 43.95 526.38 0.668
Johannes Ostermeier 2 338.06 7 48.29 460.32 0.734
Andrew Foster 3 269.87 8 33.73 526.38 0.513
Flavio Baddaria 4 260.67 8 32.58 526.38 0.495
Markus Stix 5 248.40 8 31.05 526.38 0.472
Paul Englert 6 245.60 8 30.70 526.38 0.467
Arvid Flygare 7 222.95 8 27.87 526.38 0.424
Robert Sutter 8 203.01 7 29.00 460.32 0.441
Reidar Spets 9 189.56 8 23.70 526.38 0.360
Tobias Wagemann 10 185.02 7 26.43 464.86 0.398
Markus Virtanen 11 178.11 9 19.79 559.27 0.318
Viggo Löwgren 12 158.74 8 19.84 526.38 0.302
Eric Houtteman 13 153.79 8 19.22 526.38 0.292
Stefan Herold 14 148.52 8 18.57 526.38 0.282
Bart Volman 15 141.04 7 20.15 431.69 0.327
François de Wrangel 16 133.99 9 14.89 559.27 0.240
John van der Wulp 17 131.86 7 18.84 460.32 0.286
Dirk Elzholz 18 129.63 8 16.20 526.38 0.246
Arno Nöbl 19 127.80 8 15.98 526.38 0.243
Ben Moser 20 116.33 8 14.54 526.38 0.221
Thomas Mästerman 21 107.87 9 11.99 559.27 0.193
Dominique De Cock 22 106.09 8 13.26 526.38 0.202
Mario Kertels 23 105.90 9 11.77 559.27 0.189
Boldizsár Botka 24 105.26 8 13.16 526.38 0.200
Benjamin Gräbeldinger 25 101.62 9 11.29 559.27 0.182
Philippe Craul 26 99.14 8 12.39 526.38 0.188
Vid Kuklec 27 96.12 9 10.68 559.27 0.172
Martin Janczyk 28 92.85 9 10.32 559.27 0.166
Alexander Muer 29 89.43 8 11.18 526.38 0.170
Hugo Ritter 30 88.55 8 11.07 526.38 0.168
Ivan Geentjens 31 88.22 9 9.80 559.27 0.158
Helen de Haan-Verbeek 32 86.72 8 10.84 526.38 0.165
Bo Mertins 33 81.27 5 16.25 331.14 0.245
Paul Jongma 34 77.00 4 19.25 236.45 0.326
Frank Nilsen 35 75.24 8 9.41 526.38 0.143
Didier Dujardin 36 73.05 8 9.13 526.38 0.139
Patrick Pehrs 37 71.55 9 7.95 559.27 0.128
Artur Natorski 38 71.32 9 7.92 559.27 0.128
Mika Marttinen 39 69.11 9 7.68 559.27 0.124
Martijn Van Amsterdam 40 68.06 9 7.56 559.27 0.122
Philipp Unger 41 65.62 8 8.20 526.38 0.125
Kurt Louwie 42 60.59 8 7.57 526.38 0.115
Jürgen Letzel 43 60.54 8 7.57 526.38 0.115
Peter Blakemore 44 58.58 8 7.32 526.38 0.111
Eberhard Hattemer 45 57.88 9 6.43 559.27 0.103
Johan Flygare 46 56.10 8 7.01 526.38 0.107
Wolfgang Haid 47 54.64 9 6.07 559.27 0.098
Jari Nuutinen 48 54.23 8 6.78 526.38 0.103
Axel Vercauteren 49 53.80 9 5.98 559.27 0.096
Kevin Roelants 50 52.93 9 5.88 559.27 0.095
Laurent Gregoire 51 52.39 9 5.82 559.27 0.094
Fredrik Löwgren 52 51.97 9 5.77 559.27 0.093
Denis Ritter 53 51.53 9 5.73 559.27 0.092
Perttu Pesä 54 51.37 9 5.71 559.27 0.092
Željko Vasic 55 51.05 8 6.38 497.75 0.103
Zsolt Mészáros 56 50.91 8 6.36 526.38 0.097
Morten Søbyskogen 57 50.65 9 5.63 559.27 0.091
Lea Muer 58 46.80 9 5.20 559.27 0.084
Peter Kroiss 59 46.04 8 5.76 526.38 0.087
Jürgen Zwilling 60 44.69 8 5.59 526.38 0.085
Peter Schmidt 61 42.06 8 5.26 526.38 0.080
Jim Lindsay UK 62 41.15 8 5.14 526.38 0.078
Dan Lewell 63 40.61 9 4.51 559.27 0.073
Stefan Schichtl 64 40.51 9 4.50 559.27 0.072
Carl Bierkens 65 40.50 9 4.50 559.27 0.072
Stefan Hänsch 66 40.08 8 5.01 526.38 0.076
Rafal Wasik 67 39.63 9 4.40 559.27 0.071
Thomas Stenbäck 68 39.47 9 4.39 559.27 0.071
Roger Wirz 69 37.73 8 4.72 526.38 0.072
Luukas Marttinen 70 36.74 9 4.08 559.27 0.066
Dirk Dröden 71 35.41 8 4.43 526.38 0.067
Kirk Sadler 72 34.85 8 4.36 526.38 0.066
Mariusz Tkacz 73 34.45 9 3.83 559.27 0.062
Olivier Renders 74 33.27 8 4.16 526.38 0.063
Lars Ørskov Jensen 75 33.16 6 5.53 364.03 0.091
Patrick Gelbarth 76 31.44 8 3.93 490.55 0.064
Hervé Pierru 77 30.83 8 3.85 526.38 0.059
Amy Ziegenhagen 78 30.47 7 4.35 464.86 0.066
Rakesh Kanhai 79 30.09 9 3.34 559.27 0.054
Juha Viitanen 80 28.72 8 3.59 526.38 0.055
Alexander Bienzeisler 81 27.80 8 3.48 493.21 0.056
Fabio Villanueva 82 25.67 8 3.21 526.38 0.049
Tomi Virtanen 83 25.56 9 2.84 559.27 0.046
Bernd Eder 84 24.98 7 3.57 460.32 0.054
Mathias Jäger 85 24.22 8 3.03 526.38 0.046
Craig Pennuto US 86 24.20 8 3.03 493.21 0.049
Mike Christiansen 87 22.75 8 2.84 526.38 0.043
Barbara Sprenger 88 22.41 8 2.80 526.38 0.043
Volker Levien 89 22.30 8 2.79 526.38 0.042
Kevin Sultana 90 22.17 9 2.46 559.27 0.040
Daniel Kruzinski 91 21.92 8 2.74 526.38 0.042
Maximilian Bösel 92 21.87 8 2.73 526.38 0.042
Marc Twiehaus 93 21.77 7 3.11 460.32 0.047
Jan Hop 94 21.73 9 2.41 559.27 0.039
Louis Hänsch 95 21.64 8 2.71 526.38 0.041
Anders Helboe Poulsen 96 21.63 8 2.70 526.38 0.041
Kay Kuster 97 21.00 9 2.33 559.27 0.038
Matthias Ziegenhagen 98 19.86 7 2.84 464.86 0.043
yvan raets 99 19.63 9 2.18 559.27 0.035
Karol Gracz 100 19.35 8 2.42 526.38 0.037
Sven Engelland 101 19.27 9 2.14 559.27 0.034
Guido Christiansen 102 18.07 8 2.26 526.38 0.034
Oliver Dold 103 17.51 5 3.50 330.08 0.053
Thomas Doepelheuer 104 16.98 7 2.43 425.79 0.040
Florian Thomas 105 16.84 7 2.41 460.32 0.037
Olle Strandh 106 15.99 8 2.00 526.38 0.030
Dina Lindsay 107 15.55 4 3.89 263.72 0.059
Zana Hrastovsek 108 14.11 9 1.57 559.27 0.025
Carsten Wieske 109 14.03 8 1.75 526.38 0.027
Reiner Pfeiffer 110 13.28 4 3.32 229.19 0.058
Sascha Klenke 111 12.33 8 1.54 493.21 0.025
Andrzej Olszewski 112 11.56 8 1.45 526.38 0.022
Roland Brandes 113 10.97 8 1.37 526.38 0.021
Eugen Brunner 114 10.81 8 1.35 526.38 0.021
Bettina Kykebusch 115 9.97 8 1.25 526.38 0.019
Wolfgang Lackner 116 9.69 8 1.21 526.38 0.018
Jenna Muer 117 9.35 9 1.04 559.27 0.017
Kim Danielmeier 118 9.18 7 1.31 464.86 0.020
Daniel Poturica 119 8.46 8 1.06 497.75 0.017
Patrick Blösel 120 6.55 9 0.73 559.27 0.012
Gudrun Baechle 121 6.41 9 0.71 559.27 0.011
Daniela Thomas 122 5.97 7 0.85 460.32 0.013
Margit Danielmeier 123 5.48 7 0.78 464.86 0.012
Thomas Behr 124 5.41 8 0.68 526.38 0.010
Jens Schmidt 125 0.18 1 0.18 66.06 0.003
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Good analysis.
Wow: 73% and 67% Efficiency% from Johannes and Daniele… once again: impressive!

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If I’m looking at #16 (Eric) and #21 (Jason):

  • Eric’s got a nice variety of Stern Pro Circuit Events (Plus IFPA of course)
  • Jason’s basically winning everything at the Delaware Collective (Plus a few Pro Circuit Events)
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Bummed to read PAPA being directly compared to all the current farming events.

The same event structure of PAPA was already in use when side tournaments were worth max 50% of main tournament (and three daily tournaments worth max 1/3 of that each). The tournament location and staff were fully capable of organizing this number of tournaments in the planned schedule without any compromises to the announced tournament formats or machines choices.

And most importantly, PAPA HQ was always open to anyone to enjoy the event and afaik no tournament there was ever sold out. The crew also kept expanding the event by adding more divisions to main tournament as the interest to the event kept growing.

Probably not the point of this thread, sorry about that. I just feel that with Replay FX no longer organizing its tournaments, we lost probably the most important organization making competitive pinball more visible and pinball being bigger and bigger every year with the biggest events being even bigger and more awesome than previous years. I’m worried that the current farming culture is driving competitive pinball to the opposite direction.

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I think the issue comes from assigning a negative connotation to the term “wppr farm.” Personally, I don’t see a farm being a bad thing. I’m stuck in a WPPR desert and we’re starving for some fresh WPPRs.

When people are close to a WPPR farm, they are no doubt going to benefit. This is similar to people who are able to chase down wild WPPRs at all the big tourneys.

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Yeah, looking at that card now I’m seeing why people are telling me to add Delaware to the list of farms. I was tripped up before because they don’t use a consistent naming scheme in IFPA, so it wasn’t as easy to detect.

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I think there are players who are turned off by competitive pinball period, but I think you just have to look at District 82 to see that players like having constant competitive action. They’re getting 70 players consistently for bi-weekly Tuesday night match play tournaments that start at 6pm, and 35 for weekly friday 3-strikes tournaments (the worst format!!). These are player IDs 80000+ having become consistent participants.

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I don’t think it is at all. It’s only making folks like me try and set this up in their towns. Rankings will always be improved and tweaked, but these farms are doing nothing but playing, promoting, and streaming competitive pinball, constantly. That will always be a good thing imo.

And nothing will ever be Pinburgh. That’s impossible. Hopefully they find a way to come back.

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Again. LPA is not a WPPR farm. Their most recent weekend in April included one (1) pre tournament on Friday and then two (2) certified tournaments the rest of the weekend. That is hardly WPPR farming these days.

The main tournament that weekend included 18 four-player matches in qualifying (36 games toward TGP!) and did not use multi-matchplay. 24 players through to final rounds.

They hold two such weekends each year.
Not. WPPR. Farm.

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Wppr farms aren’t bad. :wink:

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