WPPR v5.8 sneak peek

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  • These changes don’t represent everything that will likely be coming in 2023, but does focus on the event value changes we have planned.
  • While these changes have been discussed with both the Country Directors and State Reps, these are still in the proposal phase. We’ll be announcing on our site next month, with of course everything subject to change prior to the end of the year.

#1 - UPDATE TO TGP RULES
The plan starting in 2023 is to allow the ability for events to grade out to 150% value versus the current 100% max value that is in place now. This should give some additional events that go ‘above and beyond’ with respect to the number of games played for their league or tournament. Previously 25 meaningful games played at 4% each would hit that 100% max. This will now be 38 meaningful games played at 4% each to hit this new 150% max.

#2 - UPDATED RULES FOR IFPA CERTIFIED EVENTS
Currently IFPA Certified tournament receive an event weight of 120% for 2022. The plan for 2023 is to increase this event weight to 150%, but with that additional boost comes updated criteria to become eligible:
a) 128 player minimum (up from 64)
b) Limited Herb/Card - minimum 24 attempts with minimum best 12 games being counted,
minimum 20 hours of qualifying time.
d) Unlimited Herb/card - minimum 20 hours of qualifying time, minimum 5 games being counted.
e) Match Play formats (4-player groups) require minimum of 20 qualifying games (up from 12).
f) Head to head formats require minimum of 40 qualifying games.
g) 24 finalists minimum (up from 16) - Same finals format requirement as 2022
h) No other qualifying formats eligible (Flip Frenzy, Pin-Golf, etc)

#3 - EVENT WEIGHT INCREASE FOR “MAJORS”
Previously the IFPA World Pinball Championship, PAPA World Pinball Championships, European Pinball Championships, Pinburgh Match Play Championship and THE OPEN had an event weight of 150%. This will be increased to 200% for 2023.

#4 - EVENT WEIGHT INCREASE FOR IFPA CHAMPIONSHIP SERIES EVENTS
Previously these events had a event weight of 125%. This will be increased to 150% for 2023.
This includes the following events:
- Any IFPA Country Championship Series final
- Any IFPA State and Provincial Championship final
- IFPA North American Pinball Championship
- Any IFPA European Championship Series event along with the ECS Final
- IFPA Pin-Masters Championship
- IFPA Heads-Up Pinball Championship
- IFPA Power100 Championship

That’s all for now! :slight_smile:

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that higher weight should not go to state points.

and other Championship that are from multi state seeding should be split to all states and not just the state hosting the Championship

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That opinion of yours is still written in my feedback notebook. It has been “duly noted” as they say.

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I assume anything that already has a boost like majors are not eligible for the additional certification boost?

Correct. The Event Weight metric is increased by either being Certified, or a Major, or a Champ Series event, but not any kind of combination of multiple factors.

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If the D82 Super Series doesn’t morph into a 72 Hour endurance weekend to hit 150% on all events I’ll be very disappointed.

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So does this mean theoretically any event that fits certification criteria and 38 games can build-your-own-major with a 225% value tournament? I guess majors still have potentially more with 300% value assuming a 38 game format

Build-your-own-minor?

But yep … 225% is the new 120%? :man_shrugging:t2:

The Open at INDISC I believe is 30 meaningful games played plus the 20 hours of unlimited qualifying for 140% * 200% for 280%.

IFPA WC is well past 38 games played.

EPC is like … 6 games played (j/k)

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Excited to see how Stern Pro Circuit finals calculates out …

20% TGP x 150% with 16 players = wppr junior with cheese

nice

Those of us with traditional long-season leagues appreciate and salute this change!

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No doubt. Our league in Chicago had 76 meaningful games played each season. That was 204% wasted TGP every year :smile:

i feel like i asked already but any change you know which event would meet those criteria in the past couple years?

Since 1/1/2019 we’ve sanctioned 14,123 events. 42 tournaments from that list had 128 rated players or more participate. This list does not take into account the format criteria that is needed to become certified.

Tournament Name Date Player Count Event Name
D82 Great Lakes Pinball Open Main Event 4/10/2022 131 Main Tournament
D82 GLPO Event 1: Target Match Play 4/8/2022 129 Main Tournament
D82 GLPO Event 2: 8 Strike Classics Knockout 4/8/2022 132 Main Tournament
Texas Pinball Festival Wizards Tournament 3/26/2022 150 Main Tournament
Texas Pinball Festival Classics 3/26/2022 192 Classics
It Never Drains in Southern California 2/6/2022 161 High Stakes
The Open - IFPA World Championship 2/6/2022 237 Main Tournament
It Never Drains in Southern California 2/5/2022 180 Classics II
It Never Drains in Southern California 2/4/2022 182 Classics I
The Swedish Championships 11/28/2021 187 Classics
The Swedish Championships 11/28/2021 191 Main Tournament
Silverball Rumble at Pintastic New England 11/20/2021 134 Main Tournament
Pinball Expo Flip Out Tournament 10/31/2021 185 A Division
Pinball Expo Flip Out Tournament 10/31/2021 150 Classics
IFPA Pin-Masters 3/8/2020 138 Main Tournament
The Open - IFPA World Championship 1/12/2020 283 Main Tournament
It Never Drains in Southern California 1/12/2020 150 High Stakes
It Never Drains in Southern California 1/11/2020 215 Classics II
It Never Drains in Southern California 1/10/2020 200 Classics I
The Swedish Championships 11/24/2019 256 Main Tournament
The Swedish Championships 11/24/2019 251 Classics
Pinball Expo Flip Out Tournament 10/20/2019 140 A Division
European Pinball Championship 2019 10/13/2019 349 Main Tournament
Danish Pinball Open 10/13/2019 336 Main Tournament
Belgian Open Pinball 10/6/2019 204 Main Tournament
Belgian Open Pinball 10/6/2019 181 Classics
Brisbane Masters 8/18/2019 151 Main Tournament
Intergalactic Pinball Championship 8/4/2019 523 Main Tournament
Women’s International Pinball Tournament 8/4/2019 128 Main Tournament
Pinburgh Match-Play Championship 8/3/2019 956 Main Tournament
Silverball Rumble at Pintastic New England 6/29/2019 148 Main Tournament
Northwest Pinball and Arcade Show Tournament 6/2/2019 182 Main Tournament
Northwest Pinball and Arcade Show Tournament 6/1/2019 157 Classics Pin-Golf
NYC PInball Championships 5/19/2019 152 Main Tournament
German Pinball Open 5/5/2019 140 Classics
PinFest IFPA Tournament 5/4/2019 190 Main Tournament
Dutch Pinball Masters 3/24/2019 173 Main Tournament
Dutch Pinball Masters 3/23/2019 152 Classics
Texas Pinball Festival Wizards Tournament 3/23/2019 152 Main Tournament
Texas Pinball Festival Classics 3/23/2019 157 Classics
It Never Drains in Southern California 1/13/2019 189 Main Tournament
It Never Drains in Southern California 1/12/2019 135 Classics II

Oh dang. Cincy league and NKY league about to get boosted!

I assume it only counts the sessions that go towards your league standing.

So if you have 7 meets and keep 5, play 6 rounds of 4 player games each meet, that’s 60 TGP for qualifying plus the TGP from finals?

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That’s correct. You would easily hit the new 150% cap.

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Hi @pinwizj

First, many many thanks for giving the community a chance to see these these changes well ahead of the new year so that it can be planned accordingly. I know we’ve exchanged a number of messages over email based on some of the things I like and don’t like about these changes. I greatly appreciate the time you take to reply to the community’s questions. I also have a better understanding of the IFPA’s view that a 100% event isn’t necessarily one that should be completed in a single day, and the greater goals of differentiating a standard tournament with one where there is above and beyond a 100% TGP effort put in by organizers.

I’m interested to hear from other event organizers if you’re going to make changes to your events in order to go for certification.

One of my concerns, which is still a concern, is what I think are too-stringent requirements for Certification for next year. The combination of 128 players + 20-hour qualifying requirements in my view puts things too far out of each for a number of events. One of your replies to me was that events are still free to go after the new 150% cap, which is certainly a valid point, but I’m having a very difficult time seeing where existing events can improve their offerings to meet both requirements.

On that list you shared, there were 42 tournaments, of which 30 are unique events.

  • Two of these events are already Majors (The Open and the now-defunct Pinburgh)
  • Three would qualify (NYCPC, Brisbane Masters, INDISC High Stakes)
  • Seventeen aren’t eligible as-is
  • Four of these events I’m not sure about (Swedish Open/Classics and Dutch Opens/Classics)

Many of these events fall short on the hours requirements, and others fall short on the qualifying requirements. Shows that are two-day shows (like PinFest) have no chance of meeting these requirements. Local places like the Delaware Pinball Collective can run longer events, but can’t meet the 128 person requirement because of fire code limitations (unless you have people go in shifts, but at that point aren’t you violating the 20 hours requirement?).

My assessment below. I put questions marks where I was unsure.

Tournament Name Date Player Count Event Name Format Comments New Rules Certified?
D82 Great Lakes Pinball Open Main Event 4/10/2022 131 Main Tournament 12 Games Qualifying No
D82 GLPO Event 1: Target Match Play 4/8/2022 129 Main Tournament No Finals No
D82 GLPO Event 2: 8 Strike Classics Knockout 4/8/2022 132 Main Tournament No Finals No
Texas Pinball Festival Wizards Tournament 3/26/2022 150 Main Tournament 16 Hours of Qualifying No
Texas Pinball Festival Classics 3/26/2022 192 Classics 13 Hours of Qualifying No
It Never Drains in Southern California 2/6/2022 161 High Stakes Yes
The Open - IFPA World Championship 2/6/2022 237 Main Tournament Already a Major
It Never Drains in Southern California 2/5/2022 180 Classics II 7.5 Hours Qualifying No
It Never Drains in Southern California 2/4/2022 182 Classics I 7.5 Hours Qualifying No
The Swedish Championships 11/28/2021 187 Classics Couldn’t Find Format Info ???
The Swedish Championships 11/28/2021 191 Main Tournament Couldn’t Find Format Info ???
Silverball Rumble at Pintastic New England 11/20/2021 134 Main Tournament 12 Hours of Qualifying No
Pinball Expo Flip Out Tournament 10/31/2021 185 A Division 12? Hours of Qualifying; Finals Format Not Compliant No
Pinball Expo Flip Out Tournament 10/31/2021 150 Classics Not Enough Qualifying Hours No
IFPA Pin-Masters 3/8/2020 138 Main Tournament Pin-Golf No
The Open - IFPA World Championship 1/12/2020 283 Main Tournament Already a Major
It Never Drains in Southern California 1/12/2020 150 High Stakes Yes
It Never Drains in Southern California 1/11/2020 215 Classics II 7.5 Hours Qualifying No
It Never Drains in Southern California 1/10/2020 200 Classics I 7.5 Hours Qualifying No
The Swedish Championships 11/24/2019 256 Main Tournament ??? ???
The Swedish Championships 11/24/2019 251 Classics ??? ???
Pinball Expo Flip Out Tournament 10/20/2019 140 A Division 12? Hours of Qualifying; Finals Format Not Compliant No
European Pinball Championship 2019 10/13/2019 349 Main Tournament Limited Entry - Only 10 Games; Time-Slotted Qualifying Hours No
Danish Pinball Open 10/13/2019 336 Main Tournament Limited Entry - Only 8 Games; 16 hours Qualifying No
Belgian Open Pinball 10/6/2019 204 Main Tournament Limited Entry - Only 8 Games; Time-Slotted Qualifying Hours No
Belgian Open Pinball 10/6/2019 181 Classics 14 Hours Qualifying - 3-Game Card No
Brisbane Masters 8/18/2019 151 Main Tournament 21 Games Match-Play Yes
Intergalactic Pinball Championship 8/4/2019 523 Main Tournament Only Counts 6? Games; Not Enough Attempts No
Women’s International Pinball Tournament 8/4/2019 128 Main Tournament Only 15 Rounds Match-Play No
Pinburgh Match-Play Championship 8/3/2019 956 Main Tournament Already a Major
Silverball Rumble at Pintastic New England 6/29/2019 148 Main Tournament 12 Hours of Qualifying No
Northwest Pinball and Arcade Show Tournament 6/2/2019 182 Main Tournament Six Games Match-Play Qualifying No
Northwest Pinball and Arcade Show Tournament 6/1/2019 157 Classics Pin-Golf Pin-Golf No
NYC PInball Championships 5/19/2019 152 Main Tournament 30 Hours of Qualifying Yes
German Pinball Open 5/5/2019 140 Classics 6? Hours of Qualifying No
PinFest IFPA Tournament 5/4/2019 190 Main Tournament Show is only open 16 total hours No
Dutch Pinball Masters 3/24/2019 173 Main Tournament Couldn’t Find Format Info ???
Dutch Pinball Masters 3/23/2019 152 Classics Couldn’t Find Format Info ???
Texas Pinball Festival Wizards Tournament 3/23/2019 152 Main Tournament 16 Hours of Qualifying No
Texas Pinball Festival Classics 3/23/2019 157 Classics 13 Hours of Qualifying No
It Never Drains in Southern California 1/13/2019 189 Main Tournament Already a Major
It Never Drains in Southern California 1/12/2019 135 Classics II 7.5 Hours Qualifying No

Doesn’t pinmasters work in shifts?

Not for me with Pincinnati at least. What makes it unique is that we have different style tournaments each day, and you can pick and choose what you want to play in.

Seems with these changes there’s little to no chance we ever award enough WPPRs to get on the circuit, but oh well. I think most of the pinball show tournaments will move to 150% while Pincinnati will still be only 90 something and 100% for its two main events with the gauntlet being worth almost nothing like usual.

The main thing we didn’t want to do was make another multi-day HERB weekend.

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So wait. You can have an event with 38 meaningful games for 150% value, or certify for 150% value? Why are they weighted the same when certifying is way harder to achieve?