KISS wiki rulesheet

PinballNarcissist 2015-11-29 03:28:19 UTC #21

We just had a multiplayer issue in a tournament. Not sure if anyone has seen this bug before. All four players picked Deuce as their first game. 3 house balls, player four finishes deuce with maybe 12 million...drains before changing the song..

on ball 2...
Player 1 has a 30 million deuce mode
Player 2 has a 50 million deuce mode
Player 3 has a 57 million deuce mode.

The mode shot value was carrying over from player to player. We saw the base mode value get to be over 7 million so a combo'd shot was giving them as high as 15 million!

keefer 2015-11-29 05:51:52 UTC #22

Ouuuuuuuuch. Guess that pretty much invalidates Kiss for multiplayer tournament play for now.

bkerins 2015-11-29 06:20:30 UTC #23

... for a week or two, anyway

Snailman 2015-11-30 14:53:10 UTC #24

Whoops. This would explain why I had an opponent in league play have a 40M+ Detroit Rock City a couple code revs ago. I thought there was some way to get uber value out of that one if you could combo into the far left lit shot for most shots.

PinballNarcissist 2015-11-30 22:38:44 UTC #25

were you also playing detroit rock city?

Snailman 2015-11-30 22:52:06 UTC #26

I don't recall (it was a couple month's ago). But I do recall not caring about his 40M Detroit Rock City mode because I had crushed the game prior to that ball. Back then, I was selecting DRC pretty early in my song sequence, so if I had to guess: yes, I had played DRC already.

heyrocker 2016-04-17 18:36:33 UTC #27

Did this ever get updated?

PinballNarcissist 2016-04-17 22:37:05 UTC #28

top men are working on it

vandergugten 2016-04-19 13:07:13 UTC #29

Who?

ScoutPilgrim 2016-04-20 02:17:06 UTC #30

Top. Men. I'll probe into it and add what I can.

Snailman 2016-04-22 12:50:23 UTC #31

So, any feedback from those that have played the new code that dropped yesterday?

jdelz 2016-04-22 18:25:46 UTC #32

Haven't played it yet, but some of the features on the readme sound cool, specifically playfield multipliers from completing songs and 2x/3x during Demon MB.

The main thing I'm wondering is if Love Gun MB gets increasingly harder to start each time or is it still going to be a couple shots to LG all game? That's super boring.

ScoutPilgrim 2016-04-23 06:31:27 UTC #33

I can't vouch for Love Gun, but the game is definitely song-heavy now. Every 1/2 songs completed advances your Playfield Multiplier for the rest of the ball, and every completed song allows you to give a shot 2x scoring. Instruments are a bit more viable to play for, since the right ramp can still light instruments while instruments are lit and Heaven's on Fire seems to be worth a good chunk of points. I'll work towards that next time I can get on the game.

I'm interested to see what happens with song choices now (do you play Deuce/Lick it Up/etc early to get guaranteed scoring, or do you play filler to get Playfield Multipliers?)

chuckwurt 2016-06-01 14:34:27 UTC #34

Has anyone gotten together a decent strategy for the new code? I played the new code for a handful of games the other day and I found myself doing the same stuff (love gun and song completion), but just found my average scores being higher due to the multipliers.

Snailman 2016-06-01 17:54:30 UTC #35

I updated some of the information based on my experience. See the new wiki text.

Snailman 2016-06-01 17:58:56 UTC #36

Re: Strategy.... Have Stern create/improve new song mode logic? There's no sense of urgency while you're in a mode. Although you at least have the loss of your playfield multiplier as a penalty for draining. But it doesn't alter decision-making all that much.

See prior @ScoutPilgrim comments regarding KISS being song-heavy. There seems to be more value in using MB's as a safe way to progress/finish songs to get your PFx up rather than shooting for the MB jackpots themselves.

There's some strategic decision-making on which shot you choose to multiply, based on what song modes have left to play to maximize future mode scoring, or your next-up multiball.

ZED 2016-06-04 03:56:25 UTC #37

Appreciate the updated info, you might want to change the 1.03 at the top of the first pinned post though

Snailman 2016-06-04 17:28:59 UTC #38

Good point. But it is a Wiki... so you could have updated the code reference to the most recent, too.

Did you notice anything of significance that was missed?

robf 2016-08-14 21:50:40 UTC #39

There seems to be other ways to light the backstage pass. I find from time to time very early into the first ball it will light up even before I have more than one or two of the KISS or ARMY targets lit. I haven't figured out the scenario, but I have seen it a few times.

bkerins 2016-08-15 01:29:02 UTC #40

You can get credit for completing KISS or ARMY with one shot (via an inlane), which is how it could have happened more quickly.