Twitch/livestream setups.

We used the high-end TD stuff at BT Sport and BOLT 4K, and it’s great stuff but stupidly pricey.

I suspect wall performance will vary depending on your location, and 2.4 GHz will consistently outperform 5 and 6 GHz, although I like how they manage channels for multiple streams. 1000 bucks almost gets you 3 Accsoon setups.

Neil.

Are you sure this is wireless causing that? What type of camera are you using?

I’d also tell you that during live broadcasts, especially of sporting events, broadcasters avoid live wireless at all costs. The wireless that’s there is on high-end wireless SDI Teradek stuff, which is typically used for captured video and used for replays/after the fact/ etc. but it’s still prone to huge issues and super rare for live.

Football, motorsport, etc., that’s truly live in stadiums, etc, is all done using UHF / VHF, not IP, not packetised or channelised wireless.

Much for the same issues we are seeing with interferers, which always makes me ask - how are you setting up the devices to receive and transmit? Spacing the device out makes a HUGE difference; I’ve experimented with a longer top bar on the rig and a very long bar on the RX, and make your devices high if you can, and you’ll avoid a ton of cell/wifi related devices which are mostly spewing out at the human level and also don’t have the RX too near walls - 3D dimensional thinking :smiley:

I guess your intent is key to this question. Large events having time to deal with the complexities of streaming issues is challenging. Having a host to manage on the rig is not as easy as it sounds, and its way easier to beam three streams to one location and mix the various sources at a desk (and with a machine with significantly more processing power and hardware encoding than having a bi-directional streaming setup on a platform were sound mixing can be not what you expect on a machine with limited capacity and almost no telemetry if things don’t work.

So, in addition to giving the booth a feed, you need to mix in the commentary and send that back, generate standings, etc., run adverts, potentially bring in other mobile transmissions, and monitor what’s actually being output to the streaming platform so you have some sort of central desk even if you are doing a lot of the work on the rig.

If an accsoon needs to reboot, you press the button, and it reboots. However, onboard streaming can have side effects. Does the OS boot cleanly? Did it connect to the network? Has it got DNS? Was there an update push on OBS? Are all the devices initialised? Can I log in to the box? You also assume zero wifi issues in this scenario, and in large environments, that tends not to be the case. Crank the power up; whilst also being illegal in some locations, you also get to then watch other devices suddenly start to fall off the network, such as scorekeeping tablets, insider connected, a high power config of a bunch of APs at INDISC in 2023 caused problems with ascorbic and scorekeeping and the stream. Mesh wifi is also super unreliable, and tuning the device with the local wifi to let go as you move the rig around isn’t so simple and you may not have access to the wifi network. (we bring our own broadcast wifi at the UK Open).

So yeah, you may save some money, but you’ve increased complexity. There is enough complexity in large tournaments already in my view. But I’d love to see someone build what you describe and as nearly package it as possible.

While the cost of these setups isn’t cheap, in a land of 10K pinball machines, huge venue costs etc, it isn’t crazy either.

All valid points Neil! Thanks for taking the time to reply. For what its worth, I’m currently setting up a version of this that is going to send the video streams over wifi locally to a central box to be composed. Luckily for us, there isn’t a need for it to work in other locations or big events - its meant to stay in one place, so a lot of valid things you brought up about wifi capability aren’t as much of a concern here.

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Assuming using NDI? Or already “synced” on the rig?

I’m interested in what you are doing for my home setup. I have a server with 28 HDMI ports still using ACCSOON with the screens of all the games wired to the server but I tried on rig solutions so I could use stuff like the USB autocue where you have it showing twitch chat which is hard to make work wirelessly.

Would love a write up when you have time.

The more I watch this the more it seems like a camera issue to me. I can’t help but notice how low the light is and the camera seems to me to be struggling with that - I wonder if doing an experiment in this location with cables rather than accsoon?

Accsoon now has a discord!
Alex I put your Star Trek tng video to them on it…

their reply on your video:

“Hi, it might be due to sudden wireless interference which caused the frame rate to drop from 0:38 and 0:47, you can try to switch the frequency or lower the mode to speed mode, which will lower the bitrate but increase the stability and anti-interference ability. you can try to go ⁠help-support and open a ticket, so we can keep a record of this case, to better help you.”

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Thank you for your diligence to the matter! I haven’t been streaming much (or checking the forum) because I was experiencing a situation where OBS simply wouldn’t reach 60fps at all. I finally figured out yesterday I had captured an instant replay that had frame skips. It was causing OBS to run at really weird frame rates altogether. I don’t think it’s a camera issue because it happens with every camera I’ve tried. I’m hoping to get some testing in tonight with 59.94 fps in OBS to see if that helps.

Where are you saving your replays to? I’ve found that I have to save then to an SSD or it causes chaos but I’m running a 4k recording.

Great question. They’re saved to an internally mounted m.2 SSD along with all the other video. Surely it’s fast enough not to cause issue.

Well I believe I’ve got it figured out! Check out this test footage below.

Compare that to the test I posted earlier. It’s night and day. I changed Settings>Video>frame rate to 59.94. Balls roll smooth, for example, when they roll up the inlane guide and back down. It used to have that annoying pausing.

There are still some instances where there is brief interference, but the pausing is about 70% less frequent. You can tell OBS is not trying to do the pulldown every few seconds.

Twitch is adding a 100-hour limit to Highlights and Uploads, starting April 2025. This means anyone using Highlights to archive their streams is at risk of having their videos deleted if they are over the 100-hour limit. I’d recommend downloading your vods and archiving them elsewhere.

Twitch sent out an e-mail to any channel currently over the limit, but I figure I’d post a heads up here in case anyone missed it!

More info here:
https://help.twitch.tv/s/article/video-on-demand?language=en_US

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the @raydaypinball secret is out!

Just went to stream and got this:

That SUCKS

I’m just curious, do you actually see one frame skip every 16.7 seconds when streaming 1080p60?

Just throwing things at the wall to see what sticks. I wanted to at least give it a try. I’m about to just write it off as an interference issue with the Accsoon units.

Could the high quality tournament streamers post what cameras they use in 2025? A lot of rig setups I’m looking at in this thread and elsewhere is from 201x, it could use an update :slight_smile:

USB cams, HDMI, low light performers, etc.

I’m the Panasonic guy: GEAR FOR PINBALL AND ARCADE STREAMING - DRI374 LIVE PINBALL STREAMING

Everyone else uses some permutation of the Sony ZV-1.

However, if you don’t have proper lighting and decent bitrate from the rig, cameras doesn’t really matter much unless you have a specialized low light sensor like the Lumix GH5S ($$$).

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This is so lame. I just pruned 120h of highlights. They’re already archived on YouTube but just inconvenient.