when 3rd place in B is worth the same amount as 4th place in A… There needs to be a better split!
But more importantly, what should the WPPR value of a 3rd place in B be compared to a…(open up that can of worms)
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The “Judge Dredd” scores from the PAPA 7 B Bank seem unlike to actually be scores from Judge Dredd. Anyone remember if that was actually a different game… like maybe Demo Man instead ? What do you remember, @ANM ?
Thanks for adding the PAPAs!
Admit it: you and @pinwizj miss that annual tradition!
It was Judge Dredd, believe it or not! I remember those scores very well, and without even looking back at the stats now, I’m pretty sure the top three scorers on that Dredd game at that PAPA B were me, Alyssa Parks, and John McEwen. We just hit the big left ramp all day. And I remember using the blackout mode to run two balls up there over and over again. McEwen’s doing this on Dredd is so legendary that it’s mentioned in the New Pinball Dictionary definition of McEwen exploit. John just had a way of coming up with safe things to repeat that other folks just didn’t see, and he could execute them well.
https://funwithbonus.com/new-pinball-dictionary-mcewen-strategy-mcewen-special/
Edit: and I was wrong, just a little bit; Alysa is spelled with one “s” and not two 
I’m sorry about that, Alysa.
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excellent. Thanks, Andrei. I’ve seen @cayle obliterate Judge Dredd with the left-ramp-all-day “strat”, I just didn’t realize it was well known and applicable way back in the day of PAPA 7 B Division. Good stuff.
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Looking at some results… #unsuppressed…LOL
In my memory there were less players NOT winning the PAPA A finals after winning a tie-breaker in a previous round - KME, BEK, LFS and EJL all won at least one before their victory. Are there more? Who won a tie-breaker and didn’t win?
Broader question: how do all tiebreaker winners do in the round immediately following the tiebreaker? I can think of a couple other personal examples: when I won Indisc Classics, I had to survive a tiebreaker in the second round. When Eric won Pinvasion a couple years back, he came from behind on ball 3 to beat me in a tiebreaker to get into the finals. It’d be interesting to see both the next-round and the overall performance of tiebreaker winners vs. nons. Could be having to survive a tiebreaker helps you focus?
Excellent observation, Michael. Of the 14 “modern” PAPAs, 7 were won by someone who survived a tie breaker (including all three years of KME’s threepeat at PAPA 11, 12, & 13). Andrei was the only one of the 7 to not actually win the tiebreaker out right, but he was in a 3-for-2, so he still made it through. Escher actually survived 3 tie breakers at PAPA 20!
Note that I have full results for all PAPAs except for PAPA 16 - it was the first year they used Neverdrains, and the finals weren’t entered into the database. On the current replayfx website, the “Results” for PAPA 16 are all scrambled together with all the other divisions and makes no sense whatsoever, and the legacy.papa.org site only has the winners and no game by game results. If anyone has the actual papa 16 group results, or can point me to somewhere (perhaps on the wayback internet) to find them, I would appreciate it.
Interesting theory, and one that has some merit. Besides providing focus, winning a tiebreaker also provides a jolt of momentum and confidence immediately preceding the next round. Further, you’re staying “hot” vs. those that already advanced possibly iced while waiting for the next round to start.
In Pinburgh 2017, I had to win – or rather, get less beat up by brutalized Hobbit – in a semis tiebreak to make the finals. Hobbit won that tiebreaker, so I don’t think it contributed much for me, other than advancing me to the finals.
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I know in my decent finish at City Champ 2019 it helped me. Was in a tie breaker first round of finals, and propelled me to getting through another couple rounds and finished top 8. Basically gave me a jolt of added confidence to trust the plan I had on certain games that kept coming up and it worked for the most part.
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here you go
and REG won a tiebreaker, but didn’t win the tournament (in that year…)
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And @pinwizj advanced from a tie breaker at PAPA 11 without winning the tournament (in that year…), so I think the “Tie breaker magic” is simply cause and effect. The old format was prone to tie breakers, so it’s not surprising then, that 50% of the eventual winners played in at least one tie breaker in the year they won. Thanks for the PAPA 16 data! Do you happen to have the other divisions (and Classics) as well ? Cheers.
I do
btw - what about PAPA20?
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yep. That’s the only other one that is missing. They didn’t use Neverdrains for 20, so hopefully someone still has that data stored somewhere. Hey @PAPA_Doug, is there someone I can contact about recovering the qualifying and finals data from PAPA 20 ? Thanks!
Safe to remove me from the analysis here . . . there’s a pretty strong case of me not winning being a constant 