Any guesses from the group on the following?
Yes, that definitely was a re-themed Lectronamo; Julie D’s I think.
Also yes on the Dragon being Interflip, not Gottlieb.
Curious to see what “Syracuse” is; if that’s the title, it’s likely a re-themed EM.
patz2015 Monte Carlo. Based on a median score of 35k, I don’t see how it could possibly be the Premier version, nor the 1964 EM with pops that are 10 points when lit.
So by process of elimination, I’m marking it as the 1973 Bally, although I’ve never played it before.
I think given the median score of 400k, BAO makes way more sense (10k per lit pop) than the Gottlieb solid state where the bonus lights only go up to 10k.
I can confirm that it was definitely Interflip Dragon used at the CNEPC events, so I’ve updated the spreadsheet. And yes, Wonder Woman is Julie Dorssers’ rethemed Lectronamo.
Perhaps “Lost” was Lost World? A median score of 36K… it’s in the range of reason for a difficult set up Lost World.
Perhaps “Fire” is Fireball? Certainly wasn’t Fire! at a median score of 10K, and I don’t think any other Fire_____ would have a median score of 10K.
This has got to be the Gottlieb SS Circus. Certainly not the Bally EM Circus. With a median score of 200K, that would represent a median of double-rolling that EM. No way.
Circus from pv4 is Gottlieb Circus
Found a picture! @GApinball does a great job documenting his tourneys
I was not there, but I agree with these guesses based on pictures/videos I’ve seen of MGC 2018
PATZ2015 was Bally Monte Carlo 1973
I noticed that BPSO 2018 doesn’t appear on any player’s page; I suspect the division restriction listed after each player’s name is preventing the string match.
yup. I will add an exception for that so that the next time I build the universe, that will be fixed. Thanks
So I’ve add 442 new game pages to the universe! From the main page, there is a Games Pages link to the list of 442 games here:
https://www.lefkoff.com/neverdrains/games/index.html
There are 442 games listed with a link to a page for each game with the top 100 scores across all the tournaments where that game appeared, and the main page gives the median score and mean score for each game. Note that currently, I’m calculating the mean on 98% of the “middle” data and throwing out the 1% of highest and lowest scores to smooth it out a smidge.
Metallica has a commanding lead of 59 total tournaments (4,210 scores), with The Walking Dead, and AC/DC next up with 45 (3,194 scores), and 44 (3,440) respectively. Paragon is next with scores from 40 different tournaments, lol.
Good stuff. As always, if you see any problems, or have any suggestions for other things we can do in this Universe, please let me know, and thanks again for everyone who helped map the game names from the raw tournament data.
Something smells fishy re the scores for Tag Team. The NBFF Open and Ghostbusters Launch both have scores for it two decimal places larger than any other event. The scores for those two also go up to 480M, while the score display rolls over at 10M. Seems a likely mislabel of the game at some point in the process (could be the source). Ghostbusters event looks like some kind of test that was never removed; the NBFF does not show Tag Team, but does have AC/DC scores that match it.
F-14 is suspect, too; Pointmonsters has a slew of abnormally high and no low scores for it. That event does list IronMan as a game, but has no scores there; the F-14 scores look more like IronMan scores to me.
Back in the main database, I’m misspelled in Zapcon 2017; I discovered it when looking at the machine scores for Aerosmith. I have scores for that event, but it’s not listed under my player profile, probably because they have me with only one “t”, i.e. “Bob Mathews”. I played PAPA 17, but I’m listed as “Robert Matthews” (their system forced it to my credit card name that year). Rollapalooza 2016 has a typo with “Andy Prosa”. There may be other bugs with PAPA 17; I’ll take a peek.
Are we still able to edit the event / game table? You need to separate Abra Ca Dabra from Team One. While the playfield layout is similar, the scoring is vastly different.
Atlantis: you have a mix of high-score Bally./Midway 1989 Atlantis and low-score Gottlieb 1975 Atlantis.
Bank Shot / Sure Shot looks like a mix of two different games based on scores; all the 300K+ ones are suspect for that game which rolls at 99,990; the lowest from Pinfest is 389K.
More as I find them; rather than keep editing this post, I’ll send you a private message once I’ve compiled a longer list.
So, well over a hundred tournaments contained in the Universe used The Neverdrains Software to run their finals as well, so I’ve now included all of these final brackets into the system! If there were brackets to rehydrate for a given tournament, then you will find a “Finals Bracket Results” entry on the Tournament Page below the tournament list with links to all the finals. Note that I’ve seen a handful of incomplete brackets that are empty or end halfway through and those are because of incomplete information in the database itself, but there are also a bunch of new and complete results for a shit ton of tournaments that’s really fun to revisit. Enjoy.
I’ve seen that with match play, too; once the events get down to a handful of players, some organizers are feeling burned out and don’t bother to input the last round or two. They’ll post the results to IFPA, but not update Neverdrains, Match Play or whatever. Not much we can do about it.
Just checked out your upgrade, looks great!
More often I’ve seen that it’s not laziness per se, but a format switch for the finals (e.g. main tournament is Swiss head to head 3 strikes until you get to the final 8, when it converts to 2 groups of 4, top 2 in each group advance). And then, yes, when you get to that point, you don’t really need the computer assistance anymore, so no real reason to create a new online tournament to track it.
So I’ve just added PAPA 7 thru PAPA 15 to the Universe! These tournaments occurred pre-Neverdrains, of course, but I was able to build a pseudo neverdrains sql database for each of them using just the results on the web, so now they appear like any other tournament in the Universe. So many great scores have been added from these 9 incredible tournaments (17 of the top 20 White Water scores overall now come from the PAPA 7 A bank machine - that must have been one sweet playing White Water!). I also have all the final playoff results from these tournaments, too, but it’s going to take some more effort to get these results into the system because back in the day, the “PAPA Style” finals included the (what seems odd now) wrinkle that tie breakers were shared across all groups instead of the standard top-two-from-each-group advance method that we’re all so used to now. It’s much better now that you have complete control over your playoff destiny within your own group, but there were some batshit crazy outcomes back in the day. In the PAPA 11 A Playoffs, there was a 5-for-2 tie breaker at 5 points that included players from all four quarter final groups! And then, there was a 3-for-1 tie breaker in the semis to get to the finals at 4 points! (Spoiler Alert: @sk8ball won both tie breakers on his way to winning PAPA 11). Enjoy the stroll down memory lane, and marvel at how insanely good your Classics entries had to be to make the cut at only 8 players! Cheers.
My reaction when asked if I wanted to chop the pot before entering that final against KME, BEK and LFS 
