I'm bummed, the previous format was incredibly good for measuring skill and consistency.
Loved the PAPA format as it evened out the field of players. With pump n dump deep pockets will rule yet another tourney.
Wow, this is really disappointing.
PAPA is, or was supposed to be the epitome of competitive pinball, the format made it that It tested the metal of every player and the roller coaster of every entry is what makes the format awesome!
Pump and Dumb (and no that's not a typo) is just boring, just hammer your way through each game, no risk, just keep playing till you hammer in that good score. For most of the players in the top 24 it's not a question of if, it's just a question of when are you going to break through.
Completely shocked, and terribly disappointed.
I feel PAPAs qualifying and finals system represents one of the toughest challenges in competitive pinball, which made me very proud to win two local events using that setup.
Bummer. I'll miss the PAPA ticket format. It was one of the best assessments of how a player would fare in finals play, which favored consistency over catching fire infrequently.
This is incredibly sad news to hear.
I could not agree more with Adam
But yeah seriously 100% what lefkoff said
It could be hurtful if PAPA loses more of its character that makes it stand apart. I believe in change but this feels like a move in the wrong direction.
I do LOVE the papa format and will add my name to the list of many who prefer the uniqueness of this qualifying format.
I am very surprised to learn that the PAPA crew would want to deviate from tradition as much as this change in format. And that the evaluation of PAPA 19 would remotely suggest this to be the way to go.
I am sad about the change, like really sad.
Personally I find pump n dumb un-fun, un-inspiring and an example of competitive pinball past that I had hoped was on its way out the door.
I will add my disappointment to the crowd.
Lower the prize pool. Anything but changing it to a pump n dump.
It's a great shame that the objectively best tournament format is no longer used at the best event in the world.
I'll jump in and say that as a B player the last two times I made it to PAPA, I'm also incredibly disappointed.
PAPA was the ultimate "TEST YOUR MIGHT" event and even watching the last minute qualifying stream was much more intense and entertaining than the majority of events. Echoing others that would choose to forgo PAPA with Herb qualifying as major tourneys with that experience are everywhere these days.
C/D player here. This change would almost guarantee I don't play in PAPA world championships ever.
My gripes are with the change to the format, the Staff and crew of the Replay Foundation are second to none in my books. I have nothing but admiration and respect for them.
This is some sad news.
OK, I could keep copy-pasting but it's 4:30AM and I have to work Postmates lunch tomorrow. I guess what I'm trying to say is that I really don't think the signal to noise ratio is that bad. There's a lot of signal ("This is sad, the old format was great, why are things changing especially in the way they are?") and not much noise ("Fuck PAPA!!! PAPA blows!!! MHS SUXXX!!"). As a recipient of much internet noise (including enough swatting threats that I actually have to call SPD and let them know that people are likely to call in threats at my personal address), trust me when I say that this is probably some of the most respectful internet discussion I've ever seen. Maybe Pinside is different but I think (again, just in my opinion) that there's a good amount to take away from this thread.
Changes were made and the explanations of why the specific changes being made were chosen and not others were basically not provided (which is absolutely your right), so it's natural that people are going to be sad and confused especially if it's not immediately apparent that the changes were necessary or in fact helpful at all. You know that I have tons of respect for you (and PAPA as a whole); I think most of the people on this forum do. However, it doesn't mean that everyone is going to not desire (not demand, but desire) an explanation (and I mean this in the literal sense) as to how the changes being made will actually save the event (if it is in as much trouble on its current trajectory as the drastic changes seem to indicate). You mention not being given "the benefit of the doubt" ever in the history of your time at PAPA, and I can appreciate that must be frustrating as hell. With that said, however, I think it's just one of those things that sort of comes with the position. When you organize a huge event that tons of players love, people are going to scrutinize and moan about every single change because they care about and enjoy the event a lot.
As I write this I remind myself of how dumb it looks to rant and rant and rant about a pinball tournament that runs for 4 days out of the 365 in the year but I hope you can understand that people are sad because they truly love the event as it was and are sad to see it go. Speaking from my own experience with NWPC (which is a completely different scale of course), we were in a situation after Cayle left the country where we had to decide whether or not to resurrect NWPC and whether or not we would continue to use the same format that was bitched about endlessly in Seattle. Ultimately as organizers we decided that we enjoyed the format that we used, and that we would rather see the tournament go down in flames and have poor attendance than to change it into another format that would appeal to more players but not be a unique event (yes, our Herb is unique up here) anymore. We ran the tournament in a great location, used INDISC queueing, found sponsors to boost the prize pool and cover costs, and the attendance has improved the last two years over the Marysville years without any significant format change. I'm not going to insult your intelligence by saying "Oh, just do what we did" because I know that you wouldn't make this decision lightly and have clearly thought things through but I think other tournament organizers who have roughly my level of experience (not massive, but also non-zero) are seeing this change and thinking something along the lines of my thoughts of "Surely there has to be some better way to save this event than the changes that are proposed / being enacted" like I am.
Anyway, it's late and I'm sorry if this doesn't make much sense but I hope it puts my comments and some others in a little bit of a happier / less "RAHHHARRARARAGHHH!!!!! INTERNET RAGE!!!! DORITOS!!!! MOUNTAIN DEW!!!!" light.