JJP Harry Potter and the Order of AI (a visual analysis)

Hello everyone, this is my first post here, I’ve tried to post this on Pinside, but their posting policy is not very newcomer friendly, for fear of scammers and spammers, I’m more of a pinball asylum seeker, there’s not that many pinball forums around here. (if anyone of you is amused by my topic and want me to spread the good word there, I’d love a pinside friend verification vouching).
I hope the general part of the forum is a good place for my ramblings.
Brace yourselves, it’s a long one.

As an aesthetically trained person, the visual aspect of things is always very important to me. We all have different standards and tastes, but contrary to popular belief, art is not subjective. A new machine is always an important event in the small world of pinball and as afficionados we know what and where to look to determine if a machine is a good representative of the hobby.

Disclaimer : I have not played or been near this machine. The following images are a mix of humorous and concerned critiques regarding the visual aspects of the machine. They are based solely on the promotional photos from JJP and do not take into account the thousands of hours of work done by numerous talented and passionate human beings, in a challenging economic climate (when is it not ?). This is not an attack on the Jersey Jack Pinball company or the Minalima studio. While the need to cut costs is understandable, it does not always justify the choices made, especially when it comes to the visual design.

Regarding the use of visuals created by artificial intelligence (which I’ll refer to as Ai), I’m not interested in the “ethical” debate surrounding it. Instead, I’m focused on the impact it is having and will continue to have on our aesthetic culture. While the fact that this machine is valued at over $10,000 is also on my mind, the price is not a determining factor for good or bad visuals. A $200 painting can be more aesthetically valuable than a $100,000 one.

I was quite… shocked to see that the majority of the visuals were either generated by Ai or had undergone what we’ll call an “Ai filter.” The primary goal of this filter is to give existing photos a less “photoreal” appearance and to upscale them. It also removes grain and unifies the colors. Unfortunately, when images go through this filter, they don’t always come out intact. The addition of artifacts and details that don’t make sense is almost unavoidable. Images that pass through these filters will have a very distinctive look, due to the models used. If someone were to use a popular model, the end result would be easily discernible by a trained eye.

Some semi-realistic Ai generated images can appear quite bizarre, often resembling a combination of photorealistic textures, photorealistic lighting, and hand-drawn media. This makes them challenging to refine, as the techniques used to create these images are not typically employed together in standard illustration workflows. Many unsightly artifacts can be observed in my examples, as it would be either too difficult or time-consuming to correct these issues.

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That’s it, folks. These examples jumped out at me, and I could go on and on. The entire machine is filled with AI content, but I believe I’ve made my point.

PS: To me, there is absolutely no use of Ai by the Minalima studio. (I wish I did not have to say that…)

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Thanks for the detailed (and entertaining) analysis. As someone who works in an ethics-related field I’m not so keen on the scare quotes around “ethical”! But it’s nice to see a good discussion starter to (maybe) liven up the forum.

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AI is garbage slop used by garbage people and Harry Potter is a franchise for bigots. A match made in heaven.

Zero chance I will ever drop a quarter in that game or even frequent a location that has one. Won’t play it in competition either.

Utterly uninterested in debate or anyone else’s opinion on the matter so save your breath response-wise.

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Also, if you can look at those images and be like “well I don’t know for sure if ai was used” then you’re pretty dumb, to be honest. Those are blatantly and obviously ai generated images.

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Can you explain how that’s a flaw in the analysis? I didn’t see it claimed that there wasn’t a credited artist, and I’m not sure if naming the artist introduces a flaw.

Regarding that Don Quixote comment: that one seems to accurately reflect the artistic style of the “Tale of the Three Brothers” animation from the movie, right?

You are right ! I’ve seen the movies but totally forgot that 3 minutes scene :sweat_smile:

Thanks for the thorough analysis. I’ve played around with stable diffusion on my personal pc as well as Dall-e. I did think that the faces seemed a little smoothed over on the playfield and cabinet art. It’s interesting that someone on pinside had said it seemed like photoshop mashup. However, when the making of video came out, I gave them the benefit of the doubt when they claimed it was all hand drawn.

The problem though is now that you’ve provided evidence, it’s impossible to un-see it.

The Ron photo is so damning. It is definitely an AI characteristic to reinterpret features incorrectly like the logo on his shirt becoming part of the arm strap. A real artist would never do that. The logo would either be redone to be more readable or removed altogether!

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I want to add that the fascinating art of old pinball machines was something that got me interested in them first, before I even knew how to play or could keep a ball going more than a minute. Even now as a tournament player, I still find pinball art to be a large part of the joy I take in the hobby and I really hate to see it going down this road.

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Hey ROM,

I misspoke, I misunderstood the original post. I fully agree with it now that additional proof has come out. Screw generative AI, I can’t willingly support any company that is planning to or has used it.

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The pinball “media” should take a break from the constant hype cycle and straight up ask JJP it generative AI was used in the process of creating this machine. They have been making the rounds all over various podcasts so someone needs to ask the hard question and see if they come clean or not.

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On top of picking IP from one of the nastiest people out there, they had to go and run the art through the plagiarism machine. Hard pass from me.

Supposedly one of our local spots has one on order and I’m already embarrassed for them. Will not be dropping any quarters or running it in my tournaments.

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I just watched it (Harry Potter Pinball Deep Dive from JJP on YouTube)
I’m quoting Mister Meunier : “I feel very strongly about pinball art and how it needs to be hand-drawn.” I’m flabbergasted because it’s clearly not the case. We are entering some dangerous territory here. I don’t want to libel anyone but someone is not telling the truth amongst the JJP team.

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The DTP service I use don’t have a “Created with AI checkmark”, but this will do.

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Minalima studio didn’t make the playfield art? But they did the cabinet on some of the trims? I think the original post might benefit from providing more context. That quote above makes it sound like they provided the art you are analyzing.

Agree with you here. It’s obvious that a lot of effort and love went into the making of this game. Taking time to appreciate what the team at JJP created is what they would want. The point of the playfield art is to be viewed and enjoyed. You clearly did your homework before making a post. You are not in the wrong for pointing out what everyone can see.

I just looked up that picture of Ron. Here’s another picture of him for reference. The pattern on his outfit is actually the number 2. Unbelievable that it was transformed into a strap on his bracer.

Hand drawn implies an actual human artist drawing the art. Reference photos are an essential part of the process in creating a new piece of art. Even if the basis is a tracing of a photo to match a pose or layout, there is plenty of opportunity for originality. The photo of Ron used shows up immediately with a google search of “ron weasley quidditch picture movie”. The AI touch up in my eye detracts from the original photo.

My subjective take is that there was not much effort that went into this part of the playfield. From using a common photo of Ron to the low effort “touch up.”

Generative AI is controversial, to say the least. It is not, however, inherently bad. It is a tool. And tools used well, with genuine effort, create a product that is better than the sum of its parts. But when corner cutting occurs in the creation process, whether it’s generative AI or poor workmanship, the audience can see. I don’t think we are asking too much for what is marketed as a high-quality, luxury product at this price point.

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Nah, generative ai is garbage trash in every possible way.

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