WPPR v6.0 sneak peek . . .

So, can I make a new account or get my current one resat? I’m completely f***** due to being relatively new to pinball and playing every tournament possible all over Europe. Also, leaving tournaments early(cause a medical condition require me to rest more than everyone else), but late enough to not affect anything for other players, has left me with a terrible eff. %…

Seems I now have to wait 2-3 years to actually compete on fair terms with everyone else.

Way to punish engagement.

Ha. Well, I suppose in my experience reality generally does hit pretty hard. It is reality after all!

The IFPA gets results from the tournament directors. If you want a “new” account, use a different name. Tell your TD to send results in as PinJoy2 or whatever you want to change it to. If your Matchplay account is associated with your old IFPA data you’ll want to create a new one of those too.

Are you ranked in the top 1000?

Yes, 250 ish.

But soon to be 700ish perhaps? :wink:

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Yes :slight_smile:

I pulled down all my own tournament data to quantify what impact each result has on my overall efficiency percentage and adjusted points under v6. One thing I wasn’t expecting is that it seems the efficiency percentage value calculated on my IFPA page (International Flipper Pinball Association) is using the 100% values for each tournament and not the 75%/50% decay values after it has been one/two years. Can someone from the IFPA side confirm how eff% is being calculated?

Eff% always using 100% values: 22.4535%
Eff% using decayed values: 22.5797%

I am a little bit confused since my highest ranking ever was 127. Now I have more points than then but ranked 162. So other players are gaining more points than me but due to playing quite a lot in the first year(s) and keep getting my ass kicked by Swedish superkids (and great Danish players!) I drop 217 spots on the rankings because I could have gained even more whoppers than I did? (I definitely chased the whopper points for a while so not trying to complain just to understand clearly)

I will have to play (WAYYYY) better :laughing:

Also! Would it be possible to add highest active whopper points under your statistics and not just highest ranked and current + total wppr’s gained?

@Shep can for sure since he has the code :slight_smile:

This is due to the inflation of WPPR points created by v5.8. Events with finals can now grade out at 200% TGP – so DOUBLE what they used to be worth. And events with finals that are over multiple days and meet the Certified criteria can now be 250%-300%, depending on if they have 128 players or more - so up to TRIPLE what they used to be worth during pre-Certified WPPR rules.

How many spots did you fall with the WPPR 6.0 rules applied to the current standings?

The adjustment is made when your non-card active events aren’t representative of your top 20 card events.

The best way to explain this is to take Player A that believe they are a mediocre level player that tends to feel like they get lucky every once in a while.

They’ll play 10 events, have a great showing in one of them due to some version of ‘everything fell into place for them’ at that event (some combination of skill/luck/etc).

Now take that same player and have them play in 200 events.

The old system ranks this person based only on the 20 events where ‘everything fell into place for them’.

The new system looks at that person and asks the question, what amount of play did this player play in to earn that wonderful top 20 card?

For a player that gets some version of “lucky” 10% of the time they play, the adjustment can be quite impactful. For a player that is more consistent across their entire active body of work, the adjustment can be little to nothing.

The previous IFPA response on this to people was “Well why don’t YOU just play in 200 events then?” and your top 20 card can be made up of your best events so we can compare you to your peers more equally.

This v6.0 hopefully starts to address the issue that there are literally tons of players around the world where the opportunity to compete in 200 events is simply impossible. Rather than continuing to make this a problem of the “have not’s”, we’re trying to address this in a way where players can be more fairly judged based on their overall body of work (with some expectation that players still need to compete at some reasonable level to be fairly judged in the first place - i.e. sorting players by just Eff% would be a terrible idea).

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  1. Take all the events a player has played in. Sum up what the Winner of the tournament got
  2. Sum up the points the player actually got in those tournaments
  3. (#2 / #1) * 100 = eff pct
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I assume this only includes active events? Or I guess inactive events are just reduced to 0 value so it wouldn’t impact a players eff % at that point?

Events during the active 3 year window, calculated pre-decay.

Thank you for a detailed explanation!
Makes more sense now, although I’m still not 100% onboard. Like will I actually
Loose 156 wpprs or is it just an example?

Since my eff rating sucks big time due to playing as many tournaments as I could before Covid (and back then complete newbie to competitive pinball) - does this ever reset like your points go to 0 after 3 years?

Obviously now I’m much better and I actually feel like my current spot on the rankings is fair as it is (measured against other similar ranked / higher and lower ranked players) but not ranked 400th ish as the adjustment would bring me.
(Although perhaps there are 399 better players than me that just don’t compete as much and therefore it makes sense as well!)

Wouldn’t it be more accurate to use the post-decay values? Why should a player’s performance in a tournament from two years ago effect the eff% calculation at the same rate as a tournament held yesterday?

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Your current Eff% is 15.48% when looking at your entire 3 year history.

Your Eff% on events from 2023 only is 17.54%.

If I increased your Eff% on the WPPRv6.0 sheet your ranking would increase from 393rd to 314th.

To get back to rank 176, your Eff% would need to be 24.10% based on your current top 20 card.

Definitely a little difference there when looking at the numbers between expected performance and actual recent performance IMO.

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I’m surprised that it’s calculated based on pre-decay WPPRs.

@pinwizj I had interpreted this to mean that eff was calculated based on decayed WPPRs. Is a switch to “eff based on decayed WPPRs” part of the v6.0 proposed changes?

I agree that this would be a more accurate representation of the players’ efficency.