To put an emphasis here I hope that we will not end up with some sort of “Dear Leader” situation in IFPA where the president has to be called Sharpe and hold every value that Josh has. IFPA needs to plan for something other than that.
I don’t disagree with you there. The theoretical situation was to directly answer the question stated, but could also be applied to someone else in a tournament unrelated to a commissioner in question (no participation in any sort). There are checks in the system from an authority, player, and sportsbook standpoint to prevent this from happening, or to make it extremely hard to do so in an optimistic case.
Josh is not the only member of the IFPA, only the most public one. As I am not privy to what happens with decisions, I can assume most major ones are not to be taken as a snap judgement. As in my example, if he wants to make a call of that magnitude, he’s going to have to answer to at least 5 others for his reasoning.
And that is the problem. The President of IFPA has to answer to a decisions that could net him or people close to him a substantial betting sum.
AND DO KEEP IN MIND I AM NOT SUGGESTING JOSH WOULD EVER DO THIS!!! This is not an ironic capitalization, his integrity is beyond reproach. (If that is the wrong word I do apologize since I am Norwegian.)
But in the future we need rules where IFPA/PAPA staff can’t influence anything while they are playing in the tournament.
So all I am advocating for is a slight word change in the IFPA/PAPA rules. And if somehow saying people in the tournament can’t influence rulings then we are not mature enough for gambling in our great sport.
(Slight edit: the entire IFPA/PAPA staffs integrity is beyond reproach.)
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Replace RAMS/PATRIOT” Management. with local stadium Management.
Can an stadium ban an player out side of the NFL discipline system?? (they do have an union / Players Association) So the players do have rights. But with betting in the mix any iffy ban looks bad.
That does happen at least in part with State finals / stern pro circuit (with no real Minimum game standards.)
(NO bad weather policy?? at very least an rule saying that Stay inside and off the roads unless absolutely necessary = event must be changed to an different date)
(no power outage policy say after X time then event must be changed to an different date)
Just to be in line with other sports.
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I think you’re being ridiculous and the points you’re bringing up have no merit.
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There should be some kind or players association or just start with an protest / appeal process.
an banned games list can help or maybe video judges on each game for all rounds?
I thought this was a place for discussion and not calling people “ridiculous” with no merit. Repudiate my stupidity and I shall bow before your superior wisdom OH GREAT ONE!!!
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In most sports that have moved into the professional sphere there are panels with judges independent of the governing body so not a bad idea. An appeal process is not at all the worst thing in the world.
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Just wanted to be above board here and say I flagged your post. " respect and dignity, and we take this very seriously. Please read our Code of Conduct for more details." Calling me ridiculous and lacking of merit lacks respect and dignity. If you have a problem with my argument then either respond with counter arguments or refrain from this kind of abuse.
And do keep in mind I am conversing in my second language so some of my argumentative failings may have something to do with that. So please do respond to any questions you have and I will do my best to expand on my beliefs around the current situation.
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The issue with “we need X rule” is that the IFPAPA ruleset is meant to cover a wide variety of tournaments held on any combination of thousands of machines with their own rules. There’s been tons of minor clarifications and “what if this happened” situations proposed that the ruleset can lead to being too precise.
I’ll admit that there might be some merit to changing that verbiage, but in the spirit of the rules (and what’s right) it would be out of line for Doug, either Sharpe, and so on to try to throw their weight for an in tournament benefit. Some TDs do pick the brains of IFPAPA in extreme situations, and that rule would cut out thay avenue for a TD to make the best call possible.
It’s like saying explicitly in the rules that “Tilt ends ball”. We all know that tilting ends your ball (and calling things for your benefit is bad), but it does complicate manners in the few cases where that isn’t the case (such as getting a second opinion on a weird ruling where a tilt is ball saved; yes this is a thing).
I’d love to get to the point where we could have all the fantastic things you mention (unions, replay booth operators, a fully compensated/manned staff, all the technology) but we’re not at that point. The sportsbook decision is an attempt at moving this forward, just like other things that have tried and succeeded/failed in the past.
LOL
For me the most important part is probably having the wording I suggested and then 1-3 IFPA/PAPA people not in the tournament.
The rules could stay as they are but there are rules against people in the tournament/with a bet on it making rulings. I think (from memory) there are a few IFPA board members not in Pinburgh. So should not be a problem implementing this rule 
Don’t know what to say mate. Lol indeed. Sadly I do care alot about this issue. Gambling and all of it’s pitfalls irk me. Thank you for your input btw.
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But putting sports betting into the mix does kind of push that point along quite a bit. Even more so with the IFPA promoting it.
Sports betting is an big line to cross in sports.
For me that is what make of some my points an bigger deal from before betting to after.
And pinball history with gambling + with some of the same things wrong with the NCAA = the IPFA may have some hard choices coming up.
Also WHAT WILL the laws in WI do??
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You could say something related to pinball… ya know, the reason were all here.
Yeah, sorry. Missed the mark completely here apparently. I do beg your forgiveness,
It’s cool. You’re new. In the future, try to keep it about pinball.