Thanks for this! My one suggestion is that I wish the line breaks were preserved from the original PDF (and @epthegeek’s wiki). The long wall of text is a little harder to read without the original paragraph separation. Maybe an increase in text size/line height could be helpful, too.
A minor correction: Skateball is mentioned to carry over Bonus X, but this is a setting on the machine, and I’ve seen it set both ways (INDISC Skateball did not have bonus X carryover, for example).
This guide has been invaluable for me and lots of people, thanks to Bob and everyone for passing the knowledge along!
I think the Wiki style is great for casual reading, love it. But for those of us doing web app things the site @frg has done is great due to the opdb id in the url
Big love to everyone involved in these things (not least of which is Bob of course). There is plenty of good things in all these implementations and it’s good to see different approaches.
More people supporting opdb ids in urls would be phenomenal to see cough cough @umbilico
Haven’t I done this years ago? Would be weird if I hadn’t after all those hours I’ve spent in the OPDB slack back then discussing taxonomy. Need to check the code.
Question to all those piggybacking off my guide: when I make revisions or additions to my online google document, will those flow through automatically to whatever you’re doing or not? If not, then I need to know what the process should be to get any changes I make to people using your linkages. Thanks. If the changes aren’t automatic, I should probably only do occasional updates, i.e. wait until I’ve accumulated enough to be worth the trouble, then do all of them at once rather than the “when I happen to think of it” editing I’m doing now.
Improving readabilty (line breaks and font size) is in the backlog. You are right, needs to be updated.
Regarding the settings… this is a bit tricky. It would apply to many games. Maybe a general remark/annotation would be better. On the other hand - if you are an ambitious tournament player you should “know”, if not… it’s not that important
Indeed, managing revisions presents challenges. I’ve automated a lot of the process, but there’s still some uncertainty in the conversion, mainly because the input comes from a Google doc, which isn’t technically ‘well-defined’.
My strategy is to review and update the content either monthly or every two months. With the upcoming update, which is essentially the first, I plan to establish a more robust process and include the line breaks.
The initial setup of the database also encountered some hurdles, such as correctly linking the pinball machine to the appropriate OPDB ID and segmenting the text, among other things.
I’m aiming to tackle this project later in the month, as it’s something I’ve set aside for weekends and holidays. I had initially hoped to reassemble my Shadow over the holiday break, but unfortunately, time didn’t permit for that
FWIW, Bob already makes mention of common tourney-relevant settings in several of the pages (see Firepower for one example).
Certainly I wouldn’t expect a list of random settings on every game! This one happened to jump out at me because the guide specifically calls it out as significant, and I’ve seen it vary quite often.
Apologies for continuing the tangent regarding opdb ids in urls, but it crossed my mind that another option would be for opdb.org (@haugstrup basically) to setup an authoritative list of redirects via opdb
(and similarly a redirect on eg opdb.org/G5VDd-MJpqO/ipdb or /guide etc would redirect to whatever Andreas considers the most authoritative link for that resource)
Heck of a lot of setup work, but just throwing it out there.
No worries, it totally should be integrated into pinballvideos, since the OPDB idea was sparked in that ancient thread about the machine grouping API I’ve set up for it: Connecting pinball resources
I just checked my code, and it looks like it’s still using the old grouping API, though. The switch to the OPDB is in another branch that I apparently haven’t finished. I’ll do it when I next find some time for this.
Digging into that stuff again made me realize once more how ridiculous the IPDB is in some regards. Foo Fighters isn’t even in there yet, and that was two Sterns ago. And their stance against APIs means everybody is scraping their website all the time, which makes it slow af.
If it’s just one game email me at play@matchplay.events – if you’re building more on the regular also send me an email and I’ll get you into the OPDB Slack workspace
The original EMcyclopedia, when I just had electro-mechinal games in it, is still floating around out on the web in a few places. I sent if off to many of my pinball contacts at the time, giving them permission to repost it. I’m sure there are multiple versions (updates as of different points in time) of both that and the more recent SS-inclusive Classics Guide around, too. That’s part of why I created the google doc, so my updates would be there immediately when I made them rather than when I happened to send people a new version. Since the guide’s pretty much complete now, updates are less of a concern. I’ll probably add at most a dozen games this year, though I make tweak the wording for others. After Indisc, some people have asked me to add Astronaut and The Games, for example.
FYI, just read an interesting comment about all of this on Pinside (from Pinwiztom of Salem, OR):
"When does someone have time to write all this?
When does someone have time to read all this?
