Help @pinwizj, we need a ruling!
From an IFPA perspective you can’t restrict someone from playing in a tournament by saying “If you are playing in Tournament X, you can’t play in tournament Y”
But there is nothing about making them choose that would restrict WPPRS.
That choice is always prevalent. Do I travel to play at ReplayFX or stay home and play in local tournament scheduled at the same time.
I think next year we will just say up front. “Players are free to qualify in any division they would like but may not play in both a classics final and main at the same time, which they choose to participate in must be stated at the start of the main finals”
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Before groups are decided and in time to make room to bump up other players into the finals, right?
TECHNICALLY you have to let a player attempt to play in both at the risk of DQ’ing themselves from either.
For example, if finishing in 40th place in Intergalactic is a guaranteed $1000 in cash, and that player qualifies in WIPT, you couldn’t force them to forfeit earning that qualifying spot in Intergalactic and having the right to those WPPR’s/prize/etc.
You would simply have to put them on the clock and follow the written rules of the tournament with respect to delays until they are ultimately DQ’d based on their own choices of how they conduct themselves with the opportunity.
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Correct.
How does this stance relate to queuing between main and classics. We allow one tournament (division, but that is irrelevant from the IFPA) to restrict when you are allowed to play/queue in the other.
Queuing limitations during an open qualifying period are not nearly in the same realm as limiting the opportunity for a player to participate in the finals of an event altogether (especially if the finals of both events offer some prizes to be had in the form of cash, WPPR’s, etc).
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I think you NEED TO SATE THAT UP FRONT or be ready to give out refunds / bump people if things change and there are delays that force an no wait over lap.
If it’s stated in the tournament rules that a player will be DQed for a delay of game, than it’s already stated up front.
Different example: Expo (Chicago flavor). There aren’t hard stops on the location, but it sucks to wait two or three hours for your next match in Classics while your opponent is playing in Main or vice versa. Yes, people who’ve been there before know this, but a newcomer wouldn’t and it’s not mentioned in the rules. This is another case where I think the "choose 1 but no waiting " is the better path.
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But if it stated that you can do both. And then an unforeseen change forces an over lap then.
The choice should do both at your own risk or pick what one you want to do with an refund for the missed one.
And the DQ rules need to state the over lap rule UP FRONT AS WELL.
and when the rules say we will wait then something forces and HARD STOP TIME then what Ruling must be made to make it fair for all?
#1 Reason I don’t participate in the Expo tourney are the wait times. Also once you start playing you are expected to play until you lose. No breaks what-so-ever unless your opponent is playing in classic finals match at the time.
Why force people to choose at the beginning of Main rather than the later starting playoffs?
I feel like these sorts of threads need to explicitly state up front “We are using IFPA rules” because that’s rarely stated, and everyone seems to assume they are. With respect to the “wait 60 seconds and plunge” vs. “one warning, then machine score of zero” - both are perfectly acceptable, depending on what your tournament rules actually say.
If the tournament rules don’t say, then they need to, even if it’s a catch-all like “for all other rulings, we will be using IFPA rules.”
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Because if they choose Classics over main we need to be able to slot other people in qualifying into the finals.
If I’ve qualified for both Classics and Main, and then choose to play only in one of them, I’d be extremely pissed off if I was bumped out of the position I’d qualified in for somebody else who didn’t actually qualify for the finals.
I would expect to take my place in the finals and, if I wasn’t present, either have my ball plunged or given a zero on that machine. Anything else just doesn’t seem right.
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I disagree. When it can cost up to a thousand dollars in hotels and flights, just to be able to play one or two events, that’s frustrating especially if you have one bad day. I was thinking about this during pinburgh. I arrived late and couldn’t play any Wednesday events around Pittsburgh. That means as a dude I can play in two tournaments over 4 days. One with a limited entry format and one with a fixed matchplay format.
In Europe and Australia they know people are traveling so they pack an event or more a day over a week, so that the chances for winning/glory/success are increased. IMHO a variety of events makes the trip worth it.
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That seems excessively prohibitive. Why force them to choose one when they can reasonably do two, if they get eliminated in the early rounds of Main? You wouldn’t even know you’d qualified for Classics until the later rounds (probably the semis?).
Unless the goal is to prevent people from holding up the Main playoffs by trying to qualify for Classics while they are still competing, but in that case you have the 60-second rule. Seems overly harsh to stop people from participating in both, if it can be done reasonably.
The amount of money spent on hotels and other amenities during a players vacation should never be considered when planning tournaments. Tournaments arent vacation destinations, and TDs arent travel directors. Their focus is on the tournament and the tournament only. TPF is sixty dollars for the tourney, sixty dollars for show entry. The TDs should do their best to make sure everyone gets their moneys worth at the tourney. It is not their responsibility to cram as many tournaments with as many formats into as little time as possible so that you can feel better about the cost of plane tickets, hotel, food, and whatever else. The hotel is responsible for whether or not the room was worth the cost not the TDs. Same with your flight and meal costs.
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