well… i could see when you had 1000 players, 5 divisions, weird Pinburgh rules on people being restricted to certain divisions. but in this 2024 case, it would not take that long to put together. 
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I’m very curious if they will take B finals into account for finishing position…
Pinburgh B division day 2 and finals impact overall standings so i hope so else we will need to send it back
I thought restricted divisions couldn’t have their final results affect overall standings?
that is a Pinburgh type format exception, since the “restricted” division of Pinburgh is a WHOLE day worse of pinball, and not just a quick subdivision B finals type thing-
Obviously B won’t finish higher than A, but standing within B for Pinburgh is based on day 2 standing then B finals standings.
What about Yegpin?
Or the time District 82 did the same thing?
I was under the impression both those tournaments were forced to only submit standings based on Day 1 results + A finals
Or did this change so now you submit day 1 results plus A and B finals? What about day 2 results for B?
If there’s a “material” amount of play after the division split (most often these splits results in finals happening immediately), then we do allow the lower divisions to count that additional play as sanctioned play.
For any restricted players that received the ‘automatic bump’ into a division they didn’t earn based on their play, their finishing position for IFPA purposes will be based on their Day 1 finishing position against the overall field of participants.
The only way that player can overcome that is by making finals of the division they were bumped up into.
I think of this rule similar to how enemies work on John Wick. The answer is “sometimes they count . . . sometimes they don’t”
Ah I see, so for yegpin, Matt Faulkner won B division so he gets 81st (the position right after the last position in A division). However to stop somebody from finishing 79th purely because they were A restricted, despite playing worse than Matt, you have that extra rule saying unless you make finals, you will finish where you did before the division split happened.
For tournaments that just run an A and B finals, if B is restricted, and there wasn’t any extra qualifying rounds between the division distinction and finals, those B finals would not be eligible for reshuffling. If B was not restricted, then they actually could be.
This makes so much more sense than the old “because it’s pinburgh” rule of old!
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So using Pinburgh’24 as an example…: since Zahler the Elder was given entrance to A division at the last spot, via Division Restriction, and not required to earn it via tiebreaker… and because he didn’t make the A Div finals during day 2… his final finishing position would be 72nd, and not his end-of-A-Division 2nd day spot of tied-for-28th?
We’ll let Steve have that one. We’re not animals.
huh
If Steve wasn’t A restricted what division would he have ended up in?
He would have been in a tie breaker, 7 people for 1 spot for A division.
Now, depending on the rules of tie breakers if people want to voluntarily choose B division and all 6 people tied did that, Steve could slide into A. Otherwise he would’ve had to playoff for it. If he lost the tie breaker he would be ranked 73rd overall (although I don’t know how that ends up working when you interleave the B finishers ?)
Possibly B Div, if he hadn’t won the tiebreak.
The rule you described on how you’d handle A Div restricted players final ranking makes a lot of sense to me.
It doesn’t make sense that you’d choose not to apply it. Applying it wouldn’t make you an animal. You’d just be your usual SpongeBob.
“Possibly” isn’t in our rules. Every other instance a player absolutely received a bump they didn’t deserve. Steve’s case is “unknown”.
Clearly they should have played the 7 way tie breaker, and it Steve lost, told the winner, Sorry, Steve gets the spot anyway.
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