Discussion on NACS format

Sure. I would host tournaments if I could choose to allocate them to KY. I currently cannot do that, so I am not hosting any tournaments at this time. I may still host something just because competing is fun, but it is more likely to occur if I can choose KY.

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This year only. Next year the SCS will be in Newport KY. 5 miles from Cincy. And will be in NKY every other year after that. Unless another area in KY develops a scene.

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As opposed to players who specifically choose to play in states that are easier to qualify for? :slight_smile:

I wasn’t aware of Ohio SCS moving to Columbus; that definitely makes sense and it should have been there from the start IMHO, but I’m still more interested in the Cincy/KY scene right now. Those 106 miles bridge a big gap…

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in some cases but the real points to look at are the based on things like this Behind the Movement to Kick Chicago Out of Illinois

Now if say the new cut line is cook county or maybe Chicago city then that drivers an metro area rule really hard. Other sports really don’t take an hard state line like that with some metro areas.

Also an metro rule can stop leagues that are metro area only from getting points in lots of states.

Joe - Draw up the entire country into metro areas, including those boundaries and names you would call each area (assuming you would no longer be calling anyone a “State Champion”. I’ll take a look at that proposal and give you my feedback.

I would offer that if both state reps involved agree, they could bring it to the IFPA for signoff? Just a suggestion. Would think these things are by far the exception.

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In 7 years of the series, Cleveland has hosted 3, Columbus has hosted 3 and Akron has hosted 1. I think that’s pretty fair based on where the participating players live. Maybe not perfect, but relatively balanced. I wouldn’t be opposed to traveling to Cincinnati if the state rep chose to have it there.

I think it’s cool that Ohio has never had the same host location twice. Really shows how many great places there are to play here. And the same is true for not having a repeat champ yet, which speaks to the quality of players we have. I’m hoping to break that pattern this year though :slight_smile:

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In the Chuck Sanderson example, he would qualify as the 4th seed in Missouri having not played in Missouri at all (outside of a launch party) for the entire year. It seems that his one Illinois location would be the biggest set of events in Missouri, putting a hurt on other areas of Missouri to be able to qualify. I’m not sure how many other people would jump into the MO SCS standings if they counted the results from Chuck’s place, but it would certainly be material.

Would it be out of line for people in Columbia, MO to not be happy with this change of counting Chuck’s events . . . because it would really screw everyone but the St. Louis player base. You’re then left with the State Reps being in charge where a State Rep from St. Louis says this is GREAT. A State Rep from Columbia says this is AWFUL.

We also have our entire database built around grabbing location data from our Google Map interface of the calendar submission process. We would be forced to either rewrite that, or actually lie about where the event is held, picking some place with a “MO” address in Chuck’s case.

Why not have Josh make a filter for your city/zip code and all events within can be used as qualification for your own [insert metro area name] championship?

If assigning events to states that they are not held in becomes a thing, then we will be revisiting that in a future thread where everyone in [small state] got bounced from their State Championship by players in [larger neighboring state] despite those players never setting foot in [small state].

Interesting, because when it was scheduled to be held in Cincy after year 1, NE Ohio people whined so hard it had to be moved to Cleveland else they refused to come. That is when much of Cincy lost interest in Ohio SCS.

Because SCS/NACS is “the thing” and if I’m going to do something outside of that I’d probably skip IFPA altogether and do something custom.

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Most of them whine about Columbus too, but I’m not the same as them. And year two was held at Shepherd’s house in Columbus, which shouldn’t have been much of a deterrent for Cincinnati players.

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I look forward to when Nationals is held in Ogallala next year.

I’m posting this map in jest, of course, as I acknowledge the logistical problem of moving to anything other than state/province-based boundaries.

A question I do have though would be whether there would be consideration to expanding Nationals to include more representatives from states that have a larger pinball population?

In it’s simplest form, all states get one, and if you’re a Super State/Power Province then you get two.

Taking it more “extreme”, you could give upwards of two, three, or four spots to Nationals if your state/province is “Super” enough. There would still be a state rep crowned, but 2nd, 3rd, or 4th could also get an invite. Assuming there would be appetite for that, a line in the sand would be drawn that says “we want 128 in the bracket at Nationals”. Reserve one for each geo-local, and assign more seats based on players/tournaments/WPPRs/etc.

If you look at the European Champions League, each country gets one team into the mix, and if your country is considered a powerhouse based on a formula, you could have two, three, or four countries in the Champions League. Granted, not a perfect analogy based on the structure of the league there.

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but just start with the ones right on the lines and maybe make it up the local people

This ruins the TOURNAMENT OF CHAMPIONS component of what Nationals is all about.

If you have 4 spots available for a State, the State Championship tournament itself becomes less meaningful once players hit the Semi-finals. At that point they are playing for various prize pool amounts, but they would have all already punched their ticket. Makes those final two rounds anticlimactic IMO.

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We’re starting to get into whacky out-of-scope geopolitics issues here, but having family in Alton myself, I’m pretty familiar with the area and would daresay that the vast majority of people there associate themselves with St. Louis since it’s pretty close.

At some point, no matter where you set the boundary you’ll run into this. That’s why I suggested State Rep agreement. And in the case of the state rep benefitting themselves at the expense of not listening to everyone else in their state, that’s when you start getting the calls that the state rep is awful and needs to go and handle it that way.

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YOU start up with the ones right on the lines and put that proposal together. How would you name these Championships?

Had they moved year1 to Shepherd’s place instead of Cleveland, I think most here would have been OK with that as a reasonable compromise. But they didn’t, and by year 2 we were either NKY or IDGAF.

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LOL “not benefitting themselves at the expense of not listening to everyone else in their state” . . . you do realize that whatever decision that State Rep makes, there will be some sub-group that declares they aren’t being listened to :wink:

Step 1 would be - FIRE EVERY STATE REP
Step 2 - ???
Step 3 - Profit

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well what about things that should not court to state (that may need mods) like the NACS finals,stern pinball pro circuit championship finals, papa circuit finals, etc. As they are based on having to get out of state points / multi state points to get in.
Also in state finals just on why should last years playoffs count for next year.

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