WPPR v5.8 sneak peek

General
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“Farms” are just an outgrowth of the interest in competitive pinball in general from my point of view. I don’t see any real reason to cap the number of events that can happen at a location. I’m really happy that Erik can open up District 82 on weekends several times a year and run competitive pinball events at a location that does not rely on food & beverage sales to stay in business.

For like 4-5 additional selfish reasons I’m happy about the proposed WPPR v5.8 changes. There are very few events right now that center competitive pinball and as a player there is a huge difference between playing in a tournament that’s attached to a show compared to going to a show that is built around a tournament.

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I say there may be room for some kind of an cap on events at an location over an small X day window

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I propose we cap the number of events you can have at one location on your card at 20.

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Some thing like that can work and 20 let’s you have Monthly + an few bigger event at the same place / best X so that you can have events 2 Monthly + an few bigger ones and only take your best ones.

There needs to be something that is more then an small amount and less then no limit.

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So is the nerf for flip frenzies just because people concede strategically more than other formats? Or is it just getting nerfed because it’s too efficient?

Also, I’m seeing conflicting wording here. Is it the case that a frenzy can never be more than 75% value (since it’s TGP * 1/2 and TGP maxes at 150%, minus special boosts) now, or can they still be 150%, they just need twice as many games to get there?

I like the expanded 150% TGP, will be a welcome boon to leagues and other larger form tournaments

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Combination of things. Concessions were one part. The other part was just the weirdness of an event where a player can win every single game they play for the evening, and not necessarily win the tournament. To my knowledge it’s the only format where that’s possible.

As for TGP the rule is we’re using “Average number of matches played divided by 2”. Play 76 matches and you’ll enter 38 meaningful games played for TGP which will earn 150%.

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That could happen with balanced or random paring Matchplay with strength of field tie break, and no finals.

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there should be an TGP penalty for that or ban pre round 1 seeding for tie breaks if you want to be CERTIFIED

Or just say CERTIFIED events must have full game tie breaks for in or out.

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Since we’re on a roll nerfing formats left and right… any consideration to giving back a little and easing up on pingolf??

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even with finals it can happen if doing no tie breaks.

Where you can win out but due to having an easyer strength of schedule you miss the cut tied with others with the same number of wins.

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Pin-Golf is in a good spot. There’s just enough organized to only slightly annoy Adam and Michael at having to review the results. Any more and I may lose them as volunteers :slight_smile:

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As someone who took a few event cycles to understand how the PinGolf submissions work, I have to give a shout-out to @haugstrup for how it’s integrated into MatchPlay.events. Makes it very very easy to isolate the needed numbers into a URL that can be passed along to the IFPA.

PinGolf is super fun and I want to do more events next year. We have also been kicking around doing a PinBowling event.

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and to not miss stuff can we at the very least get an TPG ruling for games with MODE ENDS GAME before all balls are played?
And one for MODE ENDS BALL (Not from drain or tilt)

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Dead horse, meet foot.

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fixed that for ya.

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I’m loving that the endgame of this discussion is heading towards formats being the main problem. I can’t wait till we FF into the future and IFPA only awards wwprs to officially recognized, specific, sanctioned formats.

…one can dream :slight_smile:

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I may or may not have forgotten what I did to help out with Pingolf submissions… Would you mind refreshing my memory so I can make sure the new version of MP is equally nice for Pingolf submissions?

Sorry not sorry, @pinwizj, the new version of Match Play let’s players self-report scores. Taking data entry off plate for organizers is bound to increase the prevalence of Pingolf tournaments by at least an order of magnitude.

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Maybe not formats but other stuff like how you can do tie braking / stopping BS like after X time we go to 1 ball games.

1 ball games should have an big TPG penalty

But for things like FF maybe an boost for having X % make playoffs?

Other formats can use some small boost for more play off spots say 50 people event has an added boost for an 10-12 player play off vs an 8 or less one. Maybe even more for 14-16 player.

But not more then 50%.

But say maybe an min playoff for boost at levels like min 10% of field

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Thats not really inherent to the format though, that’s just one way of scoring them. And it wouldn’t apply if there was a finals component afterwards anyways

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I have faith that the pinball community can respond to the Flip Frenzy nerf by inventing a format that is somehow even more frustrating and less competitive

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