[quote=“ChubbyGoomba, post:19, topic:2658, full:true”]Maybe I’m imagining it, but I think the social aspect of pinball has been helping keep the community in an overall positive nature. Having to interact with others in person is so much easier than trying to douse a flame war. When there’s issues that occur in real life, it’s easier to address any problems in a way that doesn’t feel like a dogpile.
On the other hand, the echo chamber could also happen in face-to-face interactions, like the occasional convention disaster where a bunch of rowdy people lose their inhibitions and trash the place. But admittedly, that’s a rare occasion, much, much rarer than the toxicity online communities can get.
[quote=“heyrocker, post:21, topic:2658, full:true”]There is actually a contingent of pinball fans who have felt this way around the move of Pinburgh from PAPA Headquarters (where there was a robust and active tailgate vibe in the parking lot, with a lot of casual drinking and associated levels of rowdiness) to the convention center (which is more clinical, controlled, expensive, etc.) We aren’t immune to these forces either.
I actually think there are a lot of people in pinball who are against growth for this reason. They don’t actually want pinball to grow, they want it to remain the niche sport it always has been. I think this actively colors around a lot of the feelings around the $1 proposal and I wish people would be honest about it if that is how they feel.
Ah, so it does happen in pinball too. I thought that a lot of that sort of behavior would be at competitions set in bars and such, or at least places where that kind of rowdy behavior is normal. I’ve never been to PAPA Headquarters, so I don’t really know what it’s like, and I’m guessing what I see on the streams isn’t the whole picture, as what I see is always pretty civilized and polite.
Say, what is this $1 proposal anyway? I didn’t know about that until I went through Tilt Forums last night, and I couldn’t find where it originated.
That’s an interesting perspective, though of course it also requires people have the composure and maturity not to get ruffled up by the presence of more people, especially with non-interactive media. I mean, bringing to mind the Ghost in the Shell movie example above, if you dislike it so much, and if you dislike Hollywood adapting it so much, you can simply choose not to watch the movie.
Instead, some people are bugged at the fact that other people wanted it to succeed, and some other people even liked the movie!
A common issue I see people talk about regarding newbie booms, in addition, is general annoyance among said newbies. They’re the ones who will ask the obvious questions and ask them repeatedly, do not behave in ways the veterans are used to (due to not knowing the rules and jargon), might not necessarily follow directions or instructions, and otherwise grate on the people who might have grown accustomed to the microculture they’re in.
Theoretically, one can cut oneself off from everyone else into the thing, but then would you even be part of a fandom anymore if you did that? I was once part of a message board many years back that ultimately severed any links to it though, making it such that the only way you knew it existed was if you were already there or through word of mouth.
[quote=“michi, post:25, topic:2658, full:true”]In general, misbehavior such as this has not been a problem in the competition scene I’m in, but I acknowledge the point. More generally, most people don’t like change and resist it regardless in which direction it goes. “Things are just fine the way they are” works for many because change is disruptive.
None of this will stop me from advocating for more people to play pinball though because I firmly believe that more people will make the hobby stronger and more enjoyable for everyone. And, hypothetically, if the hobby grows so large that I grow tired of competitions because they’ve become “too commercial”, if the scene is as large as that, I won’t have problems finding plenty of pins on location to play with my mates.
That’s what I believe is at the core of the issue in other places too: A fear of change. It’s why I find it interesting, and honestly quite refreshing, that it isn’t here, or at least there isn’t as much of it as I would’ve expected based on past experiences.