IFPA 2018 changes?


#487

Gonna hold on to this as long as I can…


#488

Let it be known, the IFPA record for most tournament played in 3 years is set at 420.


#489

@pinwizj I’d be very interested in the capped/uncapped standings for Maryland.


#490

This is becoming too entertaining . . .same thing, ONE PLAYER DIFFERENCE. I actually keep holding my breath waiting for the 4 or 5 player difference that is never coming.

Uncapped:
1 Justin Bath 322.3
2 Justin Day 220.66
3 Elliott Keith 162.74
4 Dave Hubbard 123.05
5 Mike Frasca 122.75
6 Alex Jeffrey 119.62
7 Donnie Coulbourn 114.1
8 Steve Stakem 102.47
9 Shannon Schreier 100.51
10 Jose Chong 76.91
11 Kevin Stone 76.72
12 Rob Thomas MD 64.32
13 Jake Peterson 59.34
14 Douglas J Malcolm 53.03
15 Chuck Gardner 52.06
16 Andrew Pancoast 49.06

Top 20 capped:
1 Justin Bath 214.06
2 Justin Day 187.77
3 Elliott Keith 130.49
4 Dave Hubbard 123.05
5 Mike Frasca 114.41
6 Donnie Coulbourn 98.65
7 Alex Jeffrey 92.93
8 Shannon Schreier 90.72
9 Steve Stakem 77.69
10 Kevin Stone 76.72
11 Jose Chong 69.6
12 Jake Peterson 59.34
13 Rob Thomas MD 50.49
14 Douglas J Malcolm 49.29
15 Andrew Pancoast 49.06
16 Brad Deshong 45.54

Under the capped system, Brad Deshong sneaks in as the 16th seed (he’s in 20th uncapped). Casualty for MD would be Chuck Gardner, who would go from in as the 15th seed to the 23rd seed.


#491

How would all these change if there was a minimum? Say 5 events? :smirk:


#492

Interesting. I expected the same people, but I didn’t expect nearly the same positions. I suspect that the players with many many events also have a few high finishes at large events, which accounts for their seeding.

I think what this does is pushes down people who ONLY play weeklies for small points. Those people are hurt the most by capping at 20, as their total is diluted. Capping at 20 for people with other large-point hauls just drops small points. You can see this effect by looking at the players with 50+ events - they lose a lot of points (but in this case have other good results to prop them up). It definitely flattens the point spread from top to bottom, giving more value to winning a large event.

I think this is as it should be though. You can get in by playing a lot, but if you want to aim for one of the coveted bus-driver positions, you have to play a lot AND finish well at large tournaments.


#493

I would consider having a minimum if it wasn’t so EASILY exploited. It would just be a waste of everyone’s time for people to intentionally run “sh*tty” tournaments just to meet a minimum quota.

We see TD’s do this now in emerging areas. Players don’t add value while they aren’t “RATED”, so new areas will run 5 quick tournaments in one night just to get their entire player base “RATED”. Then they start adding that 0.5 base points ‘immediately’ going forward from there.


#494

Just thought we could add one more rule that doesn’t change anything.

Also that issue you mentioned will go away with challenge matches anyway. I plan to do that with the NKY league members that aren’t rated yet. Encourage them to break off into pairs and challenge each other during league.


#495

Just as an interesting contrast to this concept… I’ve been keeping my eye on this one local player who is still unrated https://www.ifpapinball.com/player.php?p=53314

So far he has played 156 meaningful games over 3 events. If he sticks with his current routine of only playing this one league, he will have played 252 meaningful games before he’s officially rated! Now that’s paying your dues! It’s led me to wonder what’s the most sanctioned games someone has played during their provisional period. :thinking:


#496

Can I throw a Pennsylvania request out there, with a longer list?

Since my hypothesis is PA is less likely than other states to fill out with the Top 16 because of out-of-towners from PAPA/Pinburgh, could we see the Top 100? Additionally, seeing more people would be good because (thinking ahead to 2018) there will be 24 spots in PA according to my interpretation of the new rule.

Do you know how many positions you had to go down the list for PA last year before it filled up?

Granted, I assuming incentives will change next year. If an out-of-towner wins PAPA, and the PA championships have lots of money on the line, then people would be motivated to come back and it’ll be less likely that spots drop down. Will be interesting to see next year!


#497

https://www.ifpapinball.com/champseries/?year=2017&s=PA


#498

Ha, we have several players like this here in Houston. They’ve played in 3 or 4 full 8-week seasons of the league but are still unrated.


#499

Go to town :slight_smile:

Top 20 Capped:
1 Zach Sharpe 411.9
2 Jon Replogle 377.68
3 Aleksander Kaczmarczyk 366.02
4 Cayle George 292.56
5 Greg DeFeo 281.45
6 Trent Augenstein 280.29
7 Walt Lannis 278.88
8 David Riel 265.15
9 Greg Galanter 264.84
10 Mahesh Murthy 227.53
11 Raymond Davidson 227.32
12 Josh Sharpe 218.96
13 Keith Elwin 208.87
14 Cryss Stephens 207.15
15 Levi Nayman 200.59
16 Jason Bokor 194.72
17 Lewis Bevans 193.67
18 Fred Cochran 191.87
19 Phil Birnbaum 185.39
20 Nick Jaquay 179.7
21 Matt Schwab 179.35
22 Tim Tournay 176.23
23 Eric Stone 175.26
24 Robert Gagno 174.75
25 Bowen Kerins 173.1
26 Steven Bowden 163.27
27 Dave Stewart 162.96
28 Escher Lefkoff 160.67
29 Jack Tadman 158.82
30 Bob Matthews 155.43
31 Pete Hendricks 151.89
32 Nathaniel Gibson 150.91
33 Colin MacAlpine 139.92
34 Johnny Modica 139.6
35 Jay Robinson 137.45
36 Andrei Massenkoff 137.14
37 Fred Richardson 133.87
38 Ed Giardina 132.44
39 Andy Rosa 131.5
40 Jerry Bernard 128.68
41 Jason Werdrick 128.6
42 Brian Uplinger 127.68
43 Brian Teyssier 123.61
44 Jorian Engelbrektsson 122.39
45 Al Thomka 121.37
46 Kevin Birrell 120.03
47 Karl DeAngelo 119.49
48 Derek Fugate 118.8
49 Pete Tsipouras 115.83
50 Dave Lancaster 114.54
51 Luke Nahorniak 113.43
52 Jeff Teolis 113.42
53 Priyanka Kochhar 111.67
54 Jason Mawson 111
55 Daniele Celestino Acciari 110.09
56 Nick Zendejas 105.94
57 Evan Bookbinder 104.19
58 Tyler Sutton 103.22
59 Timothy Street 101.67
60 Zac Wollons 101.56
61 Jake Kolojejchick 100.59
62 Jim Belsito 100.04
63 Tim Sexton 99.66
64 Robert Byers 98.05
65 Paul Jongma 96.09
66 Peace Nick Mann 95.88
67 Brett Berkman 94.75
68 Brian Bower 94.3
69 Basci Dinc 92.12
70 Joshua Henderson 92.08
71 Alberto Santana 91.36
72 Tony Pierce 90.65
73 Germain Mariolle 89.25
74 Silas Russell 87.45
75 Greg Poverelli 86.68
76 Adam McKinnie 86.46
77 Ed Williams WV 83.39
78 Brian ONeill 83.09
79 Lee Klevens 82.67
80 Corey Hulse 80.55
81 Steve Zahler 79.92
82 Joel Basta 77.52
83 Brett Goodwin 77.52
84 John Delzoppo 77.47
85 James Emanuel 75.81
86 Dale Geiger 74.6
87 Adam Becker 74.13
88 Ian Harrower 73.76
89 Jason Rihn 73
90 Evan Bingham 72.61
91 Eric Wagensonner 71.92
92 Brian Trenholm 71.65
93 Damien Charléty 71.32
94 Kevin Brown USA 70.17
95 Drew Cedolia 70.04
96 Joe Geneau 69.92
97 Robin Lassonde 69.52
98 Jared Chambers 69.32
99 Tom Taylor 66.6
100 Rich Mallett 66.42

Uncapped:
1 Jon Replogle 418.81
2 Zach Sharpe 411.9
3 Aleksander Kaczmarczyk 387.68
4 Walt Lannis 348.38
5 Greg Galanter 303.43
6 Cayle George 292.56
7 David Riel 289.69
8 Greg DeFeo 281.45
9 Trent Augenstein 280.29
10 Mahesh Murthy 248.39
11 Lewis Bevans 247.34
12 Raymond Davidson 227.32
13 Josh Sharpe 218.96
14 Tim Tournay 215.73
15 Keith Elwin 208.87
16 Cryss Stephens 207.15
17 Jason Bokor 201.76
18 Levi Nayman 200.59
19 Fred Cochran 192.52
20 Nick Jaquay 191.12
21 Phil Birnbaum 185.39
22 Matt Schwab 181.01
23 Nathaniel Gibson 175.28
24 Eric Stone 175.26
25 Robert Gagno 174.75
26 Steven Bowden 163.27
27 Dave Stewart 162.96
28 Escher Lefkoff 160.67
29 Jack Tadman 158.82
30 Pete Hendricks 158.24
31 Bob Matthews 155.43
32 Colin MacAlpine 139.92
33 Johnny Modica 139.6
34 Brian Uplinger 139.33
35 Jay Robinson 137.72
36 Andrei Massenkoff 137.14
37 Fred Richardson 133.87
38 Ed Giardina 132.44
39 Andy Rosa 131.5
40 Jerry Bernard 128.68
41 Jason Werdrick 128.6
42 Dave Lancaster 125.59
43 Brian Teyssier 123.61
44 Jorian Engelbrektsson 122.39
45 Al Thomka 121.37
46 Priyanka Kochhar 119.58
47 Karl DeAngelo 119.49
48 Evan Bookbinder 119.15
49 Derek Fugate 118.8
50 Pete Tsipouras 116.61
51 Tyler Sutton 114.83
52 Luke Nahorniak 113.43
53 Jeff Teolis 113.42
54 Jake Kolojejchick 111.89
55 Brian Bower 111.76
56 Jason Mawson 111
57 Daniele Celestino Acciari 110.09
58 Nick Zendejas 105.94
59 Peace Nick Mann 105.22
60 Timothy Street 101.67
61 Zac Wollons 101.56
62 Jim Belsito 100.04
63 Tim Sexton 99.66
64 Robert Byers 98.05
65 Silas Russell 96.36
66 Paul Jongma 96.09
67 Brett Berkman 94.75
68 Basci Dinc 92.12
69 Joshua Henderson 92.08
70 Alberto Santana 91.36
71 Tony Pierce 90.65
72 Germain Mariolle 89.25
73 Greg Poverelli 86.68
74 Adam McKinnie 86.46
75 Corey Hulse 84.92
76 Joel Basta 84.05
77 Ed Williams WV 83.39
78 Brian ONeill 83.09
79 Lee Klevens 82.67
80 Steve Zahler 79.92
81 Jason Rihn 77.6
82 Brett Goodwin 77.52
83 John Delzoppo 77.47
84 James Emanuel 76.62
85 Kevin Brown USA 75.61
86 Dale Geiger 74.6
87 Adam Becker 74.13
88 Jared Schmidt 73.92
89 Ian Harrower 73.76
90 Jared Chambers 73.53
91 Evan Bingham 72.61
92 Eric Wagensonner 71.92
93 Brian Trenholm 71.65
94 Damien Charléty 71.32
95 Drew Cedolia 70.04
96 Joe Geneau 69.92
97 Robin Lassonde 69.52
98 Tom Taylor 66.6
99 Rich Mallett 66.42
100 Chris Compton 66.16


#500

I’d be interested if you could run a hypothetical if UK was counted as a state. :grin:


#501

Hypothetical UKCS under the SCS system . . . 20 event cap :slight_smile:

1 Andrew Foster 150.05
2 Wayne Johns 149.79
3 Martin Ayub 106.63
4 Matt Vince 92.88
5 Greg Mott 85.83
6 Craig Pullen 85.6
7 David Dutton 77.64
8 William Dutton 70.39
9 Peter Blakemore 63.36
10 Rich Mallett 54.37
11 David Mainwaring 50.06
12 Chris Poyntz 49.19
13 Tim Porter 41.34
14 Tom Fletcher UK 38.66
15 John Whitfield 37.97
16 Timothy Raison 37.13
17 Paul Owen 36.71
18 Vin Jauhal 36.68
19 David Dodds 35.38
20 Mike Kindler 34.75
21 Phil Dixon 32.63
22 Kirk Sadler 31.77
23 Aid Cooper 30.29
24 Nick Marshall 28.33
25 Ian Walmsley 26
26 Keith Boreland 25.54
27 Garry Speight 25.17
28 Tim Thornton 24.09
29 Dave Butler 23.9
30 Bob Pickering 23.35


#502

Did the numbers get run for MI


#503

Looks like I missed this one . . . Teolis jumps to 13th under the capped system (instead of 17th). Heather Kendrick is the casualty dropping from 15th to 17th. Any system that allows Teolis to make the cut should be destroyed immediately :slight_smile:

All other 15 players are the same.

Uncapped:
1 Aaron Grabowski 355.03
2 Alex Harmon 291.22
3 Adam Peacock 191.42
4 Phil Harmon 186.92
5 Chris Tabaka 168.36
6 Mike Stewart Jr 145.06
7 Matthew Stacks 120.11
8 Rodney Minch 116.42
9 Andy Rosa 99.38
10 Joseph Nebus 99.3
11 Todd Seaver 93.56
12 Andrew Rosa II 86.15
13 Matt Monden 83.81
14 Bill Lembesis 82.1
15 Heather Kendrick 74.4
16 Jared August 72.41

Capped:
1 Aaron Grabowski 247.1
2 Alex Harmon 234.11
3 Adam Peacock 181.92
4 Chris Tabaka 160.51
5 Phil Harmon 159.48
6 Mike Stewart Jr 132.97
7 Matthew Stacks 111.24
8 Rodney Minch 109.83
9 Andy Rosa 99.38
10 Todd Seaver 93.56
11 Andrew Rosa II 86.15
12 Joseph Nebus 84.13
13 Matt Monden 80.56
14 Jeff Teolis 69.98
15 Jared August 69.06
16 Bill Lembesis 63.86


#504

Can we do challenge matches as well for SCS?


#505

Assuming your TD is using Challonge he’ll be able to forward those results to MP for inclusion in MP Ratings after the tournament ends.


#506

Okay. He’s using MP so we should be good.