circuit finals tentative first round matchups

[timballs]

Wednesday. Day before PAPA Qualifying

[gammagoat]

Thanks Tim, but

@chuckwurt

When does the circuit finals start?

[jdelz]

Check in at 9am, so I’m guessing it starts at 10.

[PinballNarcissist]

Papa posted the list of circuit attendees on their fb page. Can anyone update the groupings?

[jdelz]

Trent’s top seed earned him a first round group with @bkerins, @sk8ball and @Adam

[SabreFanCS]

1 Trent Augenstein
20 Bowen Kerins
21 Keith Elwin
40 Adam Lefkoff

2 Zach Sharpe
19 Josh Sharpe
22 Zac Wollons
39 Chris Basler

3 Aleksander Kaczmarczyk
18 Jon Replogle
23 Sanjay Shah
38 Pete Hendricks

4 Eric Stone
17 Bob Matthews
24 Brian O’Neill
37 Greg Poverelli

5 Levi Nayman
16 Tim Sexton
25 David Riel
36 Joshua Henderson

6 Raymond Davidson
15 Fred Richardson
26 Timothy Street
35 Sunshine Bon

7 Jason Werdrick
14 Chris Chinn
27 Evan Bingham
34 Aaron Grabowski

8 John Delzoppo
13 Escher Lefkoff
28 Christopher CJ Smith
33 Nick Zendejas

9 Andy Rosa
12 Colin Urban
29 Alberto Santana
32 Chris Warren

10 Steven Bowden
11 Ed Zeltmann
30 Eric Destasio
31 Adam McKinnie

[keefer]

@jdelz

Trent’s top seed earned him a first round group with @bkerins, @sk8ball and @Adam

…aaaaand how much longer until we get schoolyard pick / draft your finals groups!

[pinwizj]

@keefer

…aaaaand how much longer until we get schoolyard pick / draft your finals groups!

Time to resurrect the “Let’s talk about initial seeding in tournaments” thread

Let's talk about initial seeding in tournaments

I’m probably in the minority here, but I really don’t enjoy the default of seeding tournaments based on IFPA ranking. Perhaps I’m wrong, but the reason IFPA ranking is used to see is so that you don’t have top players randomly facing each other early in the event. I get that it would be “unfair” for say Raymond and Keith to face each other in the first round. Sucks for them to fly out to [some town far away] and get a bad draw like that. And presumably we want the finals to be made up of the be…

Draft picking for finals would lead to a great “Drunk Drafting” pinball dictionary addition . . . Trent just says “F*ck it . . . I’ll take KME, BEK, ZAC for round 1”

[jdelz]

Standard group seeding definitely makes less sense as the qualifying process grows. Sure it’s fine in a 2 day unlimited qualifying event, but when “qualifying” lasts a year with wildly varying levels of participation, yeahhhh maybe not so good.

But with that said, I think part of the challenge (and fun?) of the circuit final is that you know every group is going to be tough and you have to play well from the start to have a chance to advance. Same thing with IFPA WC. No warmup matches!

[chuckwurt]

Good luck @LOTR_breath !! Awesome to see your name up there.

[BMU]

From another recent thread …

I then took some “possible opt-outs” into account and created a “could be” sample of 40 seeds. Notice what this version, or one like it, might produce:

Group 1 - - top seed Trent getting both Keith and Bowen, plus Adam Lefkoff
Group 2 - - the Sharpe duel
Group 3 - - the “PA party” with Alexander, Jon and Pete

Well, I got it right that far at least.

And Eric and I get to be best buddies again … I think our group will be lots of fun.

[LOTR_breath]

Thanks Eric. Two from Alabama made the cut!

[PAPA_Doug]

Play better???

[PinballProfile]

Is there an updated player list?

[Grabowski]

Have players dropped out?

[PinballNarcissist]

I saw @BMU scribbling something at LAX when I said I’m dropping out, but haven’t seen him post anything.

[BMU]

I didn’t update my group listing pending hearing if there are any other changes. Anybody aware of others?

If yours is the only change, then this is what I’d get [since Jeff’s name was mentioned rather than Robin’s, I’m assuming that Robin declined]:

Group	Updated 3/12/18
1	Trent Augenstein	Bowen Kerins	Keith Elwin	Jeff Teolis
2	Zach Sharpe	Josh Sharpe	Zac Wollons	Adam Lefkoff
3	Aleksander Kaczmarczyk	Jon Replogle	Sanjay Shah	Chris Basler
4	Eric Stone	Bob Matthews	Brian O’Neill	Pete Hendricks
5	Levi Nayman	Tim Sexton	David Riel	Greg Poverelli
6	Raymond Davidson	Fred Richardson	Timothy Street	Joshua Henderson
7	Jason Werdrick	Chris Chinn	Christopher CJ Smith	Sunshine Bon
8	John Delzoppo	Escher Lefkoff	Alberto Santana	Aaron Grabowski
9	Andy Rosa	Colin Urban	Eric Destasio	Nick Zendejas
10	Steven Bowden	Ed Zeltmann	Adam McKinnie	Chris Warren

[PinballNarcissist]

Poor Geoff

[PinballProfile]

over/under on my points total: 0.5

[unsmith]

I’ll lay 3 PAPA tokens on the over. What odds am I getting?